Rider Down, Repeat, Rider Down

[Young Un]

Doesn't matter. If she collided with you (which she evidently did) then she MUST stop and provide details. If she didn't it's a 'hit and run' (failing to stop....) which is serious. You should speak to the police.

She stopped got out and asked if I was ok, just didnt give me any details.

 

[Speicher]

I would not usually join in debate of this nature. But I think it is relevant that Young Un is too young to drive. However many times he is in the passenger seat of a car, I do not think that lends experience from a driver's point of view.

As Swee'pea said there are a lot of morons out there. But if you are not a driver, then I am suggesting it is more difficult to know what a driver might or might not do. It also makes it slightly more difficult, when recovering from a crash, to accurately explain what happened.

 

[Crackle]

Glad you're OK, definitely her fault but you've learnt something to today as well. There's value as well as trauma in such lessons, once again, glad you're OK.

 

[Tollers]

Firstly, glad you're OK Young 'Un. Don't be put off. I think is one of those things.

Secondly, it seems the driver did stop, but just didnt exchange details (but hopefully she was apologetic). I don't think this is the crime of the century here and hopefully the lady in the Astra has learned something and the roads will now be a bit safer, albeit at the expense of YoungUn's pants . It sounds like she was in the wrong, but let's never forget, accidents do happen and i say +1 to swee'pea's advice, i generally assume everyone is out to kill me (cars, pedestrians, scooters, other cyclists).

I only offer sympathy to drivers as once in dead of winter i got into my car in the morning, cleaned the windscreen, then turned right up a hill. At the brow of the hill, the sunlight suddenly turned my windscreen to pure opaque white (at 30mph). I slammed on the brakes and pulled over, but in situations where you suddenly lose visibility, things can be missed. I could have easily killed someone there, but had done my best to be a responsible driver.

Anyway, just my take on things. Just glad you and your bike escaped unscathed.

 

[Arch]

She stopped got out and asked if I was ok, just didnt give me any details.

And my only critisism, if it could be called that, is that you didn't insist, because by law she must give you those details. But as I said, it's massively easy to not think straight at moments like that.

Ignore Crankarm, I find it's the best policy.

I would second though, that even if it woldn't have helped in this case, it's wise to assume everyone else is a moron, and keep your brakes covered all the time in traffic.

There's no need to have a go at Swee'pea, who was trying to help. Crankarm, you can say what you like to, as he's being a pompous git.

 

[xpc316e]

The law states that one needs to stop and give details to anyone who asks for them - you appear not to have asked for her particulars Young Un, because you make no mention of her refusing to provide them. That notwithstanding, all crashes involving personal injury need to be reported to police within 24 hours. The other driver may well realise what her obligations are and report it - if you report your half of the incident, the bits will be matched up, you will get her details and perhaps to able to claim if your injuries turn out to be worse than you think.

 

[Crankarm]

And my only critisism, if it could be called that, is that you didn't insist, because by law she must give you those details. But as I said, it's massively easy to not think straight at moments like that.

Ignore Crankarm, I find it's the best policy.

But you don't do you ...............

I would second though, that even if it woldn't have helped in this case, it's wise to assume everyone else is a moron, and keep your brakes covered all the time in traffic.

No, everyone is not a moron. People do make mistakes drivers and cyclists a like.

There's no need to have a go at Swee'pea, who was trying to help. Crankarm, you can say what you like to, as he's being a pompous git.

I shan't be lonely then Arch as I'll have you to keep me company ....

 

[Crankarm]

Crashing is not good Young Un, and I'm glad that you are not seriously hurt. I do not wish to try in any way to minimise my sympathy for you but your account of the crash is littered with ' my right of way' - having priority does not guarantee your safety. Knowing that you were in the right as you are loaded into an ambulance, or even worse, a body bag, will not make you feel much better.

I would urge all road users to look for eye contact from others when near junctions, negotiating roundabouts, etc., as we are all only human and make mistakes. If you cannot see the other person looking in your direction, then slow down and take care whether or not you have right of way. Nearly three quarters of all crashes happen at, or near, Give Way markings - having right of way is a lovely idea that looks good on paper, but as a concept it is fatally flawed. Treating it as such is a major step to managing your own road risk.

I hope that you recover soon.

+1.

 

[Arch]

No, everyone is not a moron. People do make mistakes drivers and cyclists a like.

No, of course not, I didn't say they were. But assume they are, and you'll be more prepared if they do turn out to be, and pleasantly surprised if they don't.

 

[Crankarm]

The law states that one needs to stop and give details to anyone who asks for them - you appear not to have asked for her particulars Young Un, because you make no mention of her refusing to provide them. That notwithstanding, all crashes involving personal injury need to be reported to police within 24 hours. The other driver may well realise what her obligations are and report it - if you report your half of the incident, the bits will be matched up, you will get her details and perhaps to able to claim if your injuries turn out to be worse than you think.

Yes, but the driver having stopped and asked YU if he was ok might be under the impression that Young Un was not injured and neither was his bike damaged so no need to furnish YU with her details, end of story. She drives away.

I would advise YU if he still feels crook in the morning to report the matter to the local police and visit his GP. Maybe have a day off school as well. His relative youth may explain much of his post and how he coped with the impending collision and the interaction he had with the driver. I hope the only injury is to YU's pride and he is soon back on his bike. Carry a phone and a camera next time. Next time make a few calls and take a few pics to get things moving and so you don't forget to request or fail to remember details. Presuming of course you are able to do this.

 

[twentysix by twentyfive]

Young Un - get some rest after a sweet cup of Tea. The shock is still evidently with you. Look after yourself.

I was attacked by a driver. He drove off. I didn't know I was injured until a bit (10 miles) later. I didn't realise I should have reported the incident until later. Shock/adrenalin masked my ability to fell the pain of my injury or to think logically and call the cops to the scene. Shock /adrenalin does stuff. It's normal.

 

[Crankarm]

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And my only critisism, if it could be called that, is that you didn't insist, because by law she must give you those details. But as I said, it's massively easy to not think straight at moments like that.

Ignore Crankarm, I find it's the best policy.

I would second though, that even if it woldn't have helped in this case, it's wise to assume everyone else is a moron, and keep your brakes covered all the time in traffic.

There's no need to have a go at Swee'pea, who was trying to help. Crankarm, you can say what you like to, as he's being a pompous git.

No, of course not, I didn't say they were. But assume they are, and you'll be more prepared if they do turn out to be, and pleasantly surprised if they don't.

Not sure if I am convinced by your response to get out of this one .

 

[MacB]

Glad you're ok YoungUn, get the bike checked over just in case and, if you get any twinges, get yourself checked over as well.

A lot of the posts on here use the benefit of hindsight and experience, not things that everyone has handy. Even then we can all forget things in the heat of the moment. Especially as our personal relief at avoiding serious harm can overwhelm us.

For any type of accident I would say get the other persons details and those of any witnesses. Inform the police, have your bike checked over and also get a medical check of some sort. If you have plenty of witnesses indicating the other person was in the wrong, then their insurance company will facillitate all of this for you.

As far as mini roundabouts go, be very wary, I don't like them whether I'm cycling or driving. I have absolutely no faith in other vehicles behaving correctly on, or around, them. This instinctive distrust has allowed me to avoid several potential incidents.

 

[Arch]

Not sure if I am convinced by your response to get out of this one .

If I meant that everyone was a moron, I'd have said "everyone is a moron". But I said it was wise to assume that, which is not the same.

It's only like carrying a waterproof in case it rains.

 

[Aperitif]

I'll go along with MacB's succinct words. No amount of experience relating /retelling / warning prepares YOU for 'that moment'.
Never assume anything.
Even the things you think you have covered can take you by surprise.
And the shock 'wave' follows along after...
Apart from that - carry on enjoying the action, and building your experience.