RLJ'ing, police and ASLs

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
6 points for being in an Advance Stop Box... that does seem a bit harsh.

I do agree with the lemming affect ... I have on more than one occasion started to roll forward because someone else went when it was red - I've stopped when I realised my mistake - I've even went to do it when the car beside me went through on red. Your first assumption is that you've missed the change of lights and are now holding up the rest of the traffic behind.
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
Can't say I feel any need for police to enforce either mandatory cycle lanes or ASLs, and I'm quite happy for them to sort out any and all red light jumpers. Carry on, good work.
 

swee'pea99

Legendary Member
Interesting to see a policeman, in print, say: "If it's a courier doing it they maybe know what they're doing, but lots of others simply don't." Thus implicitly conceding that there is in fact a safe way to RLJ (so long as you 'know what you're doing'). But then this is a bike-riding cop, with daily experience of what's really going on on some of Britain's busiest roads...
 
Why, then, do I see so many City officers pulling over cyclists? The main answer, it seems, is public demand.

"When we ask the community what they want us to do, cycling comes up again and again," Cussen says. "It's the same in other police areas – when people are asked what they're most concerned about it's often anti-social behaviour rather than more serious crimes."

There's your public and our reputations.
 

Dan B

Disengaged member
swee said:
Well, of course there is, just as there is a safe way to negotiate a junction when the lights are out or even a junction that is not light-controlled in the first place.

You can't get anyone in the anti-RLJ crowd to concede this, though, without an immediate switch to "but that's not the point, it's still illegal/a bad example/makes drivers hate us". The RLJ-is-always-wrong argument is hydra-headed and switches to a different front whenever they think they're losing the current discussion.

</slightly provocative>
 
More cars jump red lights now.(I wonder where they got that from)

So it must be safe.

Seriously this car RLJing thing worries me.
 

Jezston

Über Member
Location
London
[quote name='swee'pea99']Interesting to see a policeman, in print, say: "If it's a courier doing it they maybe know what they're doing, but lots of others simply don't." Thus implicitly conceding that there is in fact a safe way to RLJ (so long as you 'know what you're doing'). But then this is a bike-riding cop, with daily experience of what's really going on on some of Britain's busiest roads...[/QUOTE]

I took it as meaning they know full well that what they are doing is illegal, wheras other riders seeing them go through might think it means it's fine.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Vikeonabike said:
Nice to see, make sure that you read the authors blog on his day with City of London Police bike team.
Seems a bit of a silly guy to me. Criticising someone for not wearing a reflective fluorescent vest is bang out of order - presumably using his badge as credence in the area even more so. He's also got a pretty eccentric and poor knowledge/view of the law/highway code.
 

Vikeonabike

CC Neighbourhood Police Constable
marinyork said:
Seems a bit of a silly guy to me. Criticising someone for not wearing a reflective fluorescent vest is bang out of order - presumably using his badge as credence in the area even more so. He's also got a pretty eccentric and poor knowledge/view of the law/highway code.

:sad::cycle::smile:
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Vikeonabike said:
I don't think anyone begrudges him his bit of PR for saying the obvious - police cyclists need some kind of training in a small and targetted way. But the thing is you and other police have't really helped themselves PR wise. You should have seen a mile off that a 93 page manual would get savaged. Getting pieces written like that is the way to do it if one strips out the crap that I highlighted. The problem being that adding in little 'snippets' like the hi-viz to look 'balanced' and 'cool' undermines it all.
 
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