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[ianrauk]

Sorry, Ian I thought the other points were answered in the replies prior to this one.

Apologies if they aren't I'm reading this on a tiny phone screen

What about those that can't afford the fee?
What about the Boris Bike scheme?

 

[Milkfloat]

None of those are requirements or proper arguments against.

If you stop and think about your argument you will find that is not proper or a requirement either. The difference is, I was taking the piss by suggesting cyclists should be forced to have that paraphernalia, when in reality all they need is a bike and a sense of adventure.

 

[jonny jeez]

Bottom line is Jon. You are putting up barriers that will stop people cycling. And that is wrong, very wrong.

Well...yes I get that and of course you are right. I don't want to do anything to discourage riding but my intentions are well meant, I am sick of seeing cyclists being treated as some form of second class citizen. I probably see a little more of this than most due to some of the work that I do, which I involves surveying opinion across wide demographics...and I am always saddened at how...even cyclists, look down a little at those who cycle to work

 

[jonny jeez]

And the rest of my post? Care to answer that?

I take your point but its not an intention to make life harder...actually easier. Training just helps minimise collisions. Removal of the liscence I what stops bad behaviour.
I'm sure visitors could sign up to the terms if the licence as part of their. Hire agreement (this one is tricky but I'm sure could be worked out)

No road side stops are needed. Anyone seen breaking the terms of the licence can be stopped (by any law enforcement officer) and identified by their registration...a small flag under the seat, attached to the seatpost...just like all those sportive/audux/triathlon riders sport for months after entering an organised ride.

All pretty simple really. As for cost to the cyclist...£20 a year...my guess is most cyclists spend more than that on compressed air for their tyres....which is free already.

 

[jonny jeez]

What about those that can't afford the fee?
What about the Boris Bike scheme?

Sorry, replied to the wrong post...see above.

 

[Glow worm]

Sorry, Ian I thought the other points were answered in the replies prior to this one.

Apologies if they aren't I'm reading this on a tiny phone screen

It's a vision of hell Jon. The kind of thing I'd expect from the Daily Heil.
Taking away the sheer joy of simply jumping on a bike without a care in the world, presumably just to satisfy drivers, seems perverse to me. If anyone told me I needed a licence to ride my bike, I'd tell them where to shove it!

 

[ianrauk]

Sorry, replied to the wrong post...see above.

You haven't. Those that may not be able to afford it?

 

[benb]

The problem of respect. Of not being treated as equals on the road. Of being assumed to be lawless and treated as such, regardless of the evidence.

Well if someone hates all cyclists because of the actions of a minority, they are by definition irrational.
So it won't matter a jot what ridiculous schemes you come up with to try and make cyclists appear more respectable, whatever that means. The people that already irrationally hate cyclists will continue to do so.

 

[jonny jeez]

It's a vision of hell Jon. They kind of thing I'd expect from the Daily Heil.
Taking away the sheer joy of simply jumping on a bike without a care in the world, presumably just to satisfy drivers, seems perverse to me. If anyone told me I needed a licence to ride my bike, I'd tell them where to shove it!

Only in cities

 

[ianrauk]

Only in cities

What about big, busy towns?

 

[jonny jeez]

You haven't. Those that may not be able to afford it?

Ok, I get your point, there may be some riders who cycle to work simply as its the most affordable means of getting there.

Perhaps a monthly payment scheme of £1.20. Cheaper than a single coffee.

 

[jonny jeez]

What about big, busy towns?

I would say just cities or perhaps "towns" that already have some form of congestion or environmental...control...like congestion charge or pollution zones.

Classification...and control of creep into more urban areas, would be a legitimate concern.

 

[jonny jeez]

Sorry got to leave the coffee shop and get back to work.

Happy to hear discussion on this as its something that I think "could" work, and I really welcome objections to kind of test the idea. Will try to reply later.

So far...if I'm right, casual riders and classification are the biggest unknowns

Other than just downright objection to the whole idea, which is fine..its just an idea.

Keep in mind, I do not support licencing riders...just city riders. Think of it as a congestion charge for riders interests in assisting integration and harmony ( that's better than serious ) who wish to enter a city

 

[Markymark]

Drivers hate cyclists because we slow them down.

We could have licenses, insurance, helmets and anything else you can dream of. We'll still be hated. Nothing will change.

Might as well forget the silly ideas and just ignore them.

 

[martint235]

Anyone seen breaking the terms of the licence can be stopped (by any law enforcement officer) and identified by their registration...a small flag under the seat, attached to the seatpost...just like all those sportive/audux/triathlon riders sport for months after entering an organised ride.
.

So I need 5 of these? One for each bike. I assume they are not easy to remove because then there'll be a black market in stolen flags within days (if not hours in London)