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Old Roly

Regular
Just been watching Le Tour and have been shocked that it is 50 years since the death of Tom Simpson, so many memories came back, leading to looking at the Rory O’Brien website.............

I started work at Rory O’Briens at the Romford shop in, I think, July 1965, straight from school at just under £3.10s per week. I rode from home in Ilford about six miles each way every day. I stayed for just over a year and then the Saturday boy for another year. Rory was very much a shopkeeper from the Arkwright (Open all hours) school of retailing. I will never forget the day a customer came in for a puncture outfit and went home with a new bike and a puncture outfit! Rory cultivated the legend of being a man careful with his money but I remember his generosity so well. If a rider/regular customer beat the hour for the first time Rory would give them a pair of track mitts or similar gift. As a 15 year old mad keen on cycling to be introduced by your boss to Vic Gibbons on the comeback trail was like meeting royalty! The steady stream of “names” coming into the shop, having a chat, maybe a cup of tea and then seeing them relieved of their cash was a masterclass in retailing and all with a smile and another anecdote... marvellous. The interest for old Rorys and matching equipment has always eluded me but I do think that Rory would certainly encourage it with a chuckle that all the old stuff could be sold at a premium! I think Rory worked for Claud Butler before setting up on his own and I seem to remember that official letters were always addressed to Henry Nolan O’Brien but to me he will always be just Rory.

The staff at Rory’s at that time were Roger Joseph mechanic and wheelbuilder extraodinaire, short in stature with a magnificent head of ginger hair which he kept until his death three years ago. The workshop at the back of the shop was a special area where only invited guests were allowed to loiter, bribes like cheese cake, bun Belgique would usually gain access to this inner sanctum and if no bribes available just mention Fats Domino and you were in! Roger left in the late 60s when he married Carol and moved near Taunton in Somerset. He worked for the Post Office servicing their bikes as well as having an early morning post round. Roger left the Post Office in the late 80s and started his own cycle shop near Bridgwater. He continued to ride regularly but his mount of choice had not been a “Rory” for a long time but an ex Bedwell Hercules and then a Vic Edwards built Rondinella; oh how I miss those days riding in the Quantocks talking about the “old days”

Also in the shop as a Saturday boy was Terry Heath-Coleman? Ken Kirby was I think Rory’s brother-in-law and ran the Manor Park shop. When I first started it was about a year or two after Bob Tregonning had been killed in an accident. Dave Bedwell also worked in the shed at the back of the shop for a short while and Roger always said that Dave was a winner because he needed the prize money to eat; there were also stories of Bedwell’s exploits weightlifting, floors giving way etc.......I believe Bedwell moved to the West Country in the 80s? To work for Colin Lewis Cycles; where he took up kayaking and became an instructor.

Mrs O’Brien occasionally came into the shop with their daughter Penny? Rory was a wonderful boss for a wet behind the ears 15 year old and so much of what he taught me has lasted in my own working life. The day that I answered the telephone while serving a customer incurring Rory’s wrath and that “they will ring back but you might lose the sale” is a lesson that many of today’s youngsters would be well advised of.

His efforts to educate me has I think fallen on stony ground, his enthusiasm in getting me to read George Orwell’s 1984 and “Road to Wigan Pier” was wasted on me; I did read them and I think gave the right answers when questioned but I must confess have never felt the need to re-read them. Rory did however have an influence on my musical tastes, Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald and Rory’s favourite Nellie Lutcher. Just remembered!! Rory was also a great fan of the Great Petomane (look him up) and the thought of Rory and his cronies in fits of laughter is a joy in itself.

Vic Edwards certainly built the top of the range Rorys and if I remember correctly Stan Broom used to work part time for Vic finishing the frames; spray work was usually done by Broma based at Gallows Corner, Romford. There was a story that Vic had a hand in constructing the machine guns under James Bond’s Aston Martin who knows? Vic had his own horse for which he used to make and fit horseshoes out of alloy.... they didn’t last long!

After Tom Simpson won the World Road Championship in 1965 “Fat” Albert Beurick came to the shop selling Simpson merchandise. I was so impressed that Rory knew Albert and were obviously old friends; but then Rory seemed to know everybody and everybody knew Rory and people were happy in his company, swapping stories, lots of laughter as he rung up the till........ happy days! Rory rarely spoke of his interest in sailing and it wasn’t until a friend of my fathers, who also sailed on the Blackwater, told us that Rory was as big a character on the sailing scene as he was in the cycling world. They don’t make them like that anymore but such fond memories that have lasted over 50 years and times that still bring a smile to my face.
 
@Old Roly Great reminiscences I love the thought of Rory O'Brien laughing at Le Petomaine! It's nice to remember that these "gods" of frame building were real people, they can sometimes slip into near mythology.
I had a conversation with someone recently who worked in the Raleigh SBDU, and claimed that if you wanted to talk to Gerald O'Donovan it was best to be done before his liquid lunch :smile:
 
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ocianbricles

Active Member
I bought my first Holdsworth "racer" before I did my National Service for the army in the 'fifties from Rory's in Manor Park. In 1975? I purchased a Rory frame from the shop in Romford. That is the first I knew of a shop in Romford. I only ever thought he ever had one shop!
Mind you, he had plenty of competition in those days locally . . . Hawkes, Rivetts, Leach Marathon, Hobbs, Upton, Bates of London, E G Bates, plus a few family-type cycle shops [for the want of a better description]. All within a short distance of Stratford Broadway.
Great memories of Rory. My Rory in those days also did 21 months in the Royal Army Ordinance Corp, in Bicester!
 

Smokin Joe

Legendary Member
Mind you, he had plenty of competition in those days locally . . . Hawkes, Rivetts, Leach Marathon, Hobbs, Upton, Bates of London, E G Bates, plus a few family-type cycle shops [for the want of a better description]. All within a short distance of Stratford Broadway.
Great memories of Rory. My Rory in those days also did 21 months in the Royal Army Ordinance Corp, in Bicester!

Leach Marathon, now that's a name I haven't heard in years! A clubmate had a beauty finished in a metallic lime green that I used to lust after. I've never seen Marathon mentioned on the classic bike site and they don't come up on ebay either. Do you know where the shop was and when it closed? I'm sure it was before I joined a club in '68.
 

ocianbricles

Active Member
Leach Marathon's shop was in Martin Street, Stratford, E15. It was an isolated shop because of war-time bombing. To be honest I can't think off-hand when it closed. I remember finding a frame on a bomb debri and taking it to him for a spray, fluorescent red [thirty bob] with a sticker saying: "Renovated by Leach Marathon". He also had a shop in Leytonstone Road, Stratford, several hundred yards past Hawkes. From Maryland Station to a hundred yards past The Thatched House Pub junction boasted five cycle shops, Lou Hawkes, Martin's Mart, Leach Marathon, Reads, and of course, Rivett's of Leytonstone! There was another Reads' shop further up towards Leytonstone Church making six.
I think Leach's closed in the mid-sixties . . . not sure though!
 

Smokin Joe

Legendary Member
Leach Marathon's shop was in Martin Street, Stratford, E15. It was an isolated shop because of war-time bombing. To be honest I can't think off-hand when it closed. I remember finding a frame on a bomb debri and taking it to him for a spray, fluorescent red [thirty bob] with a sticker saying: "Renovated by Leach Marathon". He also had a shop in Leytonstone Road, Stratford, several hundred yards past Hawkes. From Maryland Station to a hundred yards past The Thatched House Pub junction boasted five cycle shops, Lou Hawkes, Martin's Mart, Leach Marathon, Reads, and of course, Rivett's of Leytonstone! There was another Reads' shop further up towards Leytonstone Church making six.
I think Leach's closed in the mid-sixties . . . not sure though!
Thanks for that. Rivetts must be the same place that turned into a seller of motorcycle clothing and accessories. I remember Martin's Mart, but wasn't that just a general cycle shop rather than an enthusiast's place? Back in those days as you will no doubt remember, bike shops were strictly divided between those who specialised in the clubman's scene and the run of the mill shops selling commuters and kids bikes. There was very little overlap.
 

Smokin Joe

Legendary Member
Now the picture on that page shows the frame I remember my old clubmate riding. I'd forgotten about the blue headtube and seat tube panel, but that has triggered my memory. I'll have to stop reading this thread, it makes me nostalgically weepy -

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Pennyjane

New Member
Just been watching Le Tour and have been shocked that it is 50 years since the death of Tom Simpson, so many memories came back, leading to looking at the Rory O’Brien website.............

I started work at Rory O’Briens at the Romford shop in, I think, July 1965, straight from school at just under £3.10s per week. I rode from home in Ilford about six miles each way every day. I stayed for just over a year and then the Saturday boy for another year. Rory was very much a shopkeeper from the Arkwright (Open all hours) school of retailing. I will never forget the day a customer came in for a puncture outfit and went home with a new bike and a puncture outfit! Rory cultivated the legend of being a man careful with his money but I remember his generosity so well. If a rider/regular customer beat the hour for the first time Rory would give them a pair of track mitts or similar gift. As a 15 year old mad keen on cycling to be introduced by your boss to Vic Gibbons on the comeback trail was like meeting royalty! The steady stream of “names” coming into the shop, having a chat, maybe a cup of tea and then seeing them relieved of their cash was a masterclass in retailing and all with a smile and another anecdote... marvellous. The interest for old Rorys and matching equipment has always eluded me but I do think that Rory would certainly encourage it with a chuckle that all the old stuff could be sold at a premium! I think Rory worked for Claud Butler before setting up on his own and I seem to remember that official letters were always addressed to Henry Nolan O’Brien but to me he will always be just Rory.

The staff at Rory’s at that time were Roger Joseph mechanic and wheelbuilder extraodinaire, short in stature with a magnificent head of ginger hair which he kept until his death three years ago. The workshop at the back of the shop was a special area where only invited guests were allowed to loiter, bribes like cheese cake, bun Belgique would usually gain access to this inner sanctum and if no bribes available just mention Fats Domino and you were in! Roger left in the late 60s when he married Carol and moved near Taunton in Somerset. He worked for the Post Office servicing their bikes as well as having an early morning post round. Roger left the Post Office in the late 80s and started his own cycle shop near Bridgwater. He continued to ride regularly but his mount of choice had not been a “Rory” for a long time but an ex Bedwell Hercules and then a Vic Edwards built Rondinella; oh how I miss those days riding in the Quantocks talking about the “old days”

Also in the shop as a Saturday boy was Terry Heath-Coleman? Ken Kirby was I think Rory’s brother-in-law and ran the Manor Park shop. When I first started it was about a year or two after Bob Tregonning had been killed in an accident. Dave Bedwell also worked in the shed at the back of the shop for a short while and Roger always said that Dave was a winner because he needed the prize money to eat; there were also stories of Bedwell’s exploits weightlifting, floors giving way etc.......I believe Bedwell moved to the West Country in the 80s? To work for Colin Lewis Cycles; where he took up kayaking and became an instructor.

Mrs O’Brien occasionally came into the shop with their daughter Penny? Rory was a wonderful boss for a wet behind the ears 15 year old and so much of what he taught me has lasted in my own working life. The day that I answered the telephone while serving a customer incurring Rory’s wrath and that “they will ring back but you might lose the sale” is a lesson that many of today’s youngsters would be well advised of.

His efforts to educate me has I think fallen on stony ground, his enthusiasm in getting me to read George Orwell’s 1984 and “Road to Wigan Pier” was wasted on me; I did read them and I think gave the right answers when questioned but I must confess have never felt the need to re-read them. Rory did however have an influence on my musical tastes, Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald and Rory’s favourite Nellie Lutcher. Just remembered!! Rory was also a great fan of the Great Petomane (look him up) and the thought of Rory and his cronies in fits of laughter is a joy in itself.

Vic Edwards certainly built the top of the range Rorys and if I remember correctly Stan Broom used to work part time for Vic finishing the frames; spray work was usually done by Broma based at Gallows Corner, Romford. There was a story that Vic had a hand in constructing the machine guns under James Bond’s Aston Martin who knows? Vic had his own horse for which he used to make and fit horseshoes out of alloy.... they didn’t last long!

After Tom Simpson won the World Road Championship in 1965 “Fat” Albert Beurick came to the shop selling Simpson merchandise. I was so impressed that Rory knew Albert and were obviously old friends; but then Rory seemed to know everybody and everybody knew Rory and people were happy in his company, swapping stories, lots of laughter as he rung up the till........ happy days! Rory rarely spoke of his interest in sailing and it wasn’t until a friend of my fathers, who also sailed on the Blackwater, told us that Rory was as big a character on the sailing scene as he was in the cycling world. They don’t make them like that anymore but such fond memories that have lasted over 50 years and times that still bring a smile to my face.

Thank-you for this lovely reminiscence of my father Rory O'Brien. Someone recently suggested I google dad and I was delighted to find so many remember him so warmly. He didn't get you to read the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists then? I remember Tom Simpson's death because dad got me to translate an article about it from L'Equipe. Quite a challenge for my o-level French. And I had forgotten about Nelly Lutcher. I also remember his determination that no customer should leave the shop without parting with some cash. I still have my Rory, but alas unridden these days. Thank-you.
 
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rche7k

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Location
Ohio, USA
I came across this discussion when looking for info about a possible Rory O'Brien frame I bought recently. What a great discussion and looks like its coming up on the 10th anniversary of the first post! I'm told I can't post photos until I've been here a few days. But when I can, I would like to get the group's opinion of my frame.

In the meantime, I enjoyed the trip down memory lane. My parents and grandparents were club cyclists in Essex up until the early 60s. They may have known one or two of the older members here. My grandfather was a long-time member of University C.C. and my parents rode with (I think) Rapier Road Club. I have good memories of being taken as a kid to club time trials on a jury rigged child seat contraption and later on the back of a tandem which had kid pedals mounted above the rear crank. I think one of my jobs was to chase down empty water bottles as riders went through a rudimentary "feed zone". Or at least, I remember riders lobbing empty water bottles at my head as they went by. Probably got a time bonus if they could hit me.

Unfortunately, I don't remember any of the characters discussed here, although I do remember the shops. My dad grew up near the Bates Bros shop in Plaistow and later we lived near Rory O'Brien's and Ducketts. At the time I couldn't afford any of the good stuff, but I recently retired, nostalgia has set in, and I hope to build up my frame into something that is close to period correct and see how it rides.

Thanks again to everyone who has contributed to this discussion. I will post frame photos when allowed.
 

Smokin Joe

Legendary Member
Thank-you for this lovely reminiscence of my father Rory O'Brien. Someone recently suggested I google dad and I was delighted to find so many remember him so warmly. He didn't get you to read the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists then? I remember Tom Simpson's death because dad got me to translate an article about it from L'Equipe. Quite a challenge for my o-level French. And I had forgotten about Nelly Lutcher. I also remember his determination that no customer should leave the shop without parting with some cash. I still have my Rory, but alas unridden these days. Thank-you.
I was a member of your dad's club, the Easterly RC. He wasn't an active cyclist at that stage of his life (Late 1960s) but he was still a member and I remember chatting to him at a club dinner and dance. The Manor Park shop was my local bike shop.
 

rche7k

Regular
Location
Ohio, USA
Would appreciate any thoughts on age of this frame. It closely matches photos on http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/r-o-b-builders.html which would make it a Rory O'Brien Championship model. The best I can come up with so far is pre-1970 because Frank Lipscombe sold his business then. Rory started his business around 1948. So the age range is 1948-1970. I can't tell which braze-ons are original and which may have been added when it was renovated. But I'm hoping that some of the veterans on this thread can suggest an approximate age based on what is there and what is missing - e.g. no braze-ons for shifters, just a lip.

New to this site so I hope the post and photos show up correctly. Thanks.

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pubrunner

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Hi,

That's a high quality frame that you have, most probably built by Les Ephgrave - the diamond-shaped surrounds on the rear brake bridge are something that featured on most of his frames. Yes, it is a Championship model frame; given that it has a grease nipple above the bottom bracket, I'd date this frame a few years either side of 1960, so between 1956 - 1964.
 

rche7k

Regular
Location
Ohio, USA
Thanks Pubrunner. I've done some more research since my last post and found two things that agree with your date range. There is a very nicely restored bike here - http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=302357 - bought in 1962 that has brazed-on shifters - suggests my frame is pre-1962. Also, I found some history and old catalogs for the Campag dropouts that confirm the model on my frame is a 1010 Gran Sport first produced in 1952/53. So I'm leaning towards mid to late 50s, maybe very early 60s. That may be as close as I can get and it gives me a good idea of what period parts I should start looking for.
 

limey

Senior Member
Hello rche7k. I received your e-mail and although I havn't been active on Cycle Chat for a few years I think I can help with your search. I have an original Rory O'Brien catalogue from the early 1960s in good condition and with all the prices in £ s and p. I can scan it and send it to you if you send me your e-mail address. I can even send the original by post if you want. My e-mail address is alancross67@gmail .com. I also have a copy photo of Rory himself with Dave Bedwell from about 1947. I also have other items from the 60s which may be of interest to you, just dépends on what you are looking for.
 
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