Saddened by ninja

[400bhp]

I dunno, if I got a letter from the Met telling me 'one more strike and you're out', I'd be incentivised to toe the line from there on in, or maybe I just scare easily.

I..

Yes, but the police can't prosecute in isolation can they.

I think all it means is that they would consider putting it in front of the CPS, who might then throw it out.

 

[Davidsw8]

Yes, but the police can't prosecute in isolation can they.

I think all it means is that they would consider putting it in front of the CPS, who might then throw it out.

To be honest, I don't know what the system is (I'd guess that most people don't). I think for many people, the threat of action is enough to alter behaviour, e.g. you see a police car stopped at a set of lights and you're guaranteed not to see any RLJ'ing or mobile phone use.

 

[Boris Bajic]

Motorists taken serious on the roads?

They almost own the roads.

Of course we do.... We bloody pay for them through Road tax, don't we? What? Wrong forum? Is it?

OK. Thanks....

It's the one on the back of the door... Leather elbow patches and string-back gloves in the pocket.

 

[400bhp]

Apart from all the "It's awful, they give us all a bad name" stuff you mean?

And how is that relative to how car drivers are treated?

 

[theclaud]

I sense a hint of sarcasm Adrian

So, anything goes as long as people don't die? hah! I don't subscribe to that way of thinking, if something is illegal, it needs to be enforced. If not, make it legal.

Now there's a thought.

 

[Davidc]

And if a law is passed mandating Hi-Viz without any obligation about painting cars?

I'll be communicating with my MP during the discussion period of the white paper! I'd also expect CTC and the rest to do what they could to oppose it. Beyond that I'd probably put up with it, grumpily. I don't expect it to happen.

 

[Miquel In De Rain]

Of course we do.... We bloody pay for them through Road tax, don't we? What? Wrong forum? Is it?

OK. Thanks....

It's the one on the back of the door... Leather elbow patches and string-back gloves in the pocket.

Don't mean it like that,just don't like some of the driving sometimes.Why are motorists in Thailand so different,less aggressive,more courteous ?

 

[Davidc]

I'm a cyclist and a car driver, at different times, and like most cyclists and most car drivers do each activity legally and responsibly as far as I can.

There are those in both groups who don't. Too many. There's too little enforcement to persuade the offenders to change their ways. None of us can do much about it. Motor vehicles can do far more harm when misused than can cycles. Cars more than motorcycles. Lorries more than cars. Safe use of roads is in everyone's interests and that's the important bit. I've already said I have no time for ninja cyclists, I don't have any time for anyone who behaves that way on the roads.

The sort of anti-driver comments from some here are as silly as the anti-cyclist comments seen in other places and are of no value to anyone.

 

[Davidc]

If you think that someone pointing out that motorists pose more danger to other people than ninja cyclists do and should have to face up to the consequences of that risk is anti-driver then I'm sorry but you might have to consider that you are being a touch over sensitive.

That, as you are aware, is not what I'm suggesting since I think I've already said drivers need to accept their responsibilities.

 

[AndyPeace]

Ashamed to say but my nephew was a ninga cyclist, up untill recently. He eventually gave in and asked me for a spare set of lights ( gave him a cat eye 10W halogen and my aldi back light). He said he was fed up of drivers honking their horns at him. So it seems see a ninja, make some noise, may encorage them to get some lights.

 

[Dan B]

The vast majority of motorists do get insurance, do not talk on mobiles, do not jump red lights, do turn their lights on, do clean their windows - the minority who do not are antisocial law breakers, just as are minority of cycling ninjas. But no reasonable law abiding motorist would dream of defending the antisocial motoring law breaker as you defend the cycling ninja.

I don't want to assert anyhing about any 'vast majority', but I am reasonably certain it is socially acceptable among most drivers to injure (or worse) another road user through a "moment's inattention", even if that inattention were caused by low sun, lack of sleep, distraction caused by hands-free mobile or passenger, unexpected happening on the pavement, ... and as long as "sorry mate I didn't see you" or "he came out of nowhere" are perceived as mitigation and not as the admission of guilt that they should be, I really do think Adrian has a point here.

I base my certainty on the likelihood of such a driver after an accident of getting sentenced to much more than three points and a slap on the wrist. I accept that the legal system may lag social norms slightly, but not that much

 

[400bhp]

There is no equivalent, that is part of my point.

This thread was someone moaning about a cyclist not having lights, nothing more, nothing less.

But you are trying you best to politicicise this into an argument against cars.

 

[Davidc]

That would be good but we all know that a lot of the time they don't. What we need is our Police, the CPS and our Courts taking a more robust attitude about it when they don't.

A massive majority of drivers and all road users do act sensibly and responsibly, the problem is with the tiny minority who don't. For them, as I have already said detection, enforcement and penalties are required.

I'm all for cyclists to be better served by road design, the courts etc. but I'm more concerned to see conditions improved for all of us who use the roads no matter what transport method we're using, and foremost in that is enforcement of the existing laws. Reducing police numbers will probably mean it's a long time coming.

 

[400bhp]

A massive majority of drivers and all road users do act sensibly and responsibly, the problem is with the tiny minority who don't. For them, as I have already said detection, enforcement and penalties are required.

I'm all for cyclists to be better served by road design, the courts etc. but I'm more concerned to see conditions improved for all of us who use the roads no matter what transport method we're using, and foremost in that is enforcement of the existing laws. Reducing police numbers will probably mean it's a long time coming.

David - this thread isn't about drivers.

Lets stick to those silly cyclists without lights.

They are a PITA aren't they.

 

[Davidc]

I don't want to assert anyhing about any 'vast majority', but I am reasonably certain it is socially acceptable among most drivers to injure (or worse) another road user through a "moment's inattention", even if that inattention were caused by low sun, lack of sleep, distraction caused by hands-free mobile or passenger, unexpected happening on the pavement, ... and as long as "sorry mate I didn't see you" or "he came out of nowhere" are perceived as mitigation and not as the admission of guilt that they should be, I really do think Adrian has a point here.

I base my certainty on the likelihood of such a driver after an accident of getting sentenced to much more than three points and a slap on the wrist. I accept that the legal system may lag social norms slightly, but not that much

I don't know anyone who finds the section I've coloured red acceptable. Most adults I know drive. You must associate with some odd people.