Saddened by ninja

[Davidc]

Simple question. Who here as a cyclist reckons they are more likely to be killed by a ninja cyclist than be a driver in a car?

The answer is self evident. It doesn't alter the stupidity being shown by ninja cyclists.

The probability of being killed in a collision with a car is nonetheless extremely small. Of the 107 road deaths of cyclists in the latest figures many are single vehicle (the bike) and too many are with lorries, leaving very few car related deaths.

What has a very much higher probability is being seriously injured, and I can't find the numbers at the moment.

All road casualty figures are too high. Cyclist numbers are only a small proportion of the total KSI. The whole lot needs to be reduced and that's going to need lots of changes to attitudes.

 

[Davidc]

David - this thread isn't about drivers.

Lets stick to those silly cyclists without lights.

They are a PITA aren't they.

Couldn't agree more.

Unfortunately they interact with drivers, and make life difficult for the rest of us in doing so.

 

[snorri]

The sooner responsibility for road crime detection and punishment is taken away from police and the courts and handed over to the CC lynch mob the better, I say.

 

[400bhp]

You chose them to project an image

What image do you believe I am projecting?

 

[lukesdad]

Simple question. Who here as a cyclist reckons they are more likely to be killed by a ninja cyclist than be a driver in a car?

Option 3 who is more likely to be killed by a heart attack ?

 

[400bhp]

Simple question. Who here as a cyclist reckons they are more likely to be killed by a ninja cyclist than be a driver in a car?

Start a new thread as it has nothing to do with this thread

 

[StuartG]

I refer you to my post above, which clearly demonstrates that your conjecture is wrong. The item you have referred to may suggest, if the figures are of any significance at all, that many of us occasionally break the letter of the law, it does not show a lack of sensible and responsible driving.

83% is tiny. Regular is occasional. Deliberately disregarding the law placed there for our own safety is sensible and responsible. Ummm you can tell where the 92% comes from. Would you by chance be one of the 80% who are 'above average'?

You really frighten me. Please tell me its a troll and you don't drive ...

 

[Cyclist33]

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[400bhp]

Not directly, no.

 

[400bhp]

Why the question mark? do you believe they aren't naughty then?

 

[400bhp]

No that is a standard convention in written English, using a question mark when inviting agreement.

Or it is a question.

 

[400bhp]

Sorry, but it's not and I find that quite insulting to be honest.

 

[Dan B]

As you said, and I didn't question it, the courts are too lenient and are out of touch.

But the decision making process in courts is driven by people - magistrates, judges, jurors. The decision making process as to whether anything even gets to court is driven by people (Police, CPS). If all these people are out of touch, who exactly are they out of touch with? ...

18 months ago we had a very serious fatality near here which has been national news, when Amy Hoffmeister, aged 13, cycling on a cycle path, was killed and her friend seriously injured. The response was universally that the sentences were far too lenient. After the appeal which got one of the driver's sentence increased they were about half the maximum.

According to the news report I just googled he was uninsured and unlicenced - so hardly an otherwise law-abiding citizen of the kind to be let off with an "oh well, was just an unfortunate mistake, could have happened to anyone". And he killed a 13 year old girl

Locally that crash has had interesting effects on vehicle speeds and the social status of speeding which have lasted until now.

Attitudes among those I meet in this area and also in the London area have all shifted in recent years, in the same direction, and I'm sure the courts will catch up, eventually.

I hope you're right, I really do.

 

[Davidsw8]

And why not? Someone moaning about ninja cyclists a small subset of a small sector of society. People moan about them but produce no evidence of any substantial harm. All I have sought to do here is restore a sense of proportion and suggest that there are other groups on our roads who pose genuine and measurable risks to others about whom action could and should be taken as appropriate but isn't.

I guess you could always create a thread specially to address your pressing concerns Adrian.

Not every single thread on this forum will be out the biggest issues we face in society, sometimes people want to talk about those things that don't create untold death and destruction.

 

[Davidsw8]

Or you could just choose not to engage with it, but seeing as this thread was specifically about a pressing road safety issue and that is all that we have been discussing, I really don't see what your problem is.

I'm demonstrably very happy to discuss the actual subject of this thread Adrian (i.e. cyclists not using lights).