Savage dog attack

[Xiorell]

Any animal?

Yes. To a point anyway, obviously a hamster for example poses less potential issues for the general public than a dog, but there's no reason the level of care should be lower. I used to work in a pet shop and the amount of neglect you'd come across was amazing, be it lack of knowledge, laziness or otherwise

 

[Jimmy Doug]

Yes, I agree that there are a lot of pet owners out there who really shouldn't have an animal. But do you think compulsory training is really workable? For example, we've had several cats over the years. We don't go out looking for them - they always seem to find us! We rescued a kitten from a neighbour who wanted to drown it, another turned up on our doorstep starved half to death, and the one we have now was given to us by a collegue whose son found it abandonned. How can you enforce training in cases like this? Enforcement implies knowing exactly who has what. How could, say, our present cat be tracked to us if we didn't take it to the vet regularly, hadn't put a chip in it etc? And the sort of pet owners we're talking about here are the very sort who won't go out of the way to do sensible things like vaccinate. Besides, when I see that we still haven't really got round to addressing how to train future parents (beyond a small pep talk at school) I really think we're a long way from dealing with the pet owner training issue. But in principle I do agree with you. Especially when it comes to dogs.

 

[Accy cyclist]

Talking of animals, this one is definately one to be avoided!


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG-cLftQ9Xw&feature=related

I hope the swine was prosecuted with his car reg being filmed etc.

When my daughter was a toddler we were in a park one Sunday afternoon, having a bit of a picnic. A couple wandered by with an Alsation it wasn't on a lead. My daughter set off running for a tennis ball, the dog had the same idea. It ran a few feet past her and snapped at her, then headed for the ball. I shouted at her to stand still, she did and the dog got there first. If she'd have continued running to the ball god knows what would've happened. The bloke was quite apologetic, i think he reckoned that i was going to lay into him, but the woman gobbed off saying that her dog had the right to exercise, and that Alsations are "gentle creatures" blah blah! I could hear him telling her to shut it as they walked away, but she was adamant that her and her dog were in the right! Alsations are the only dogs i have a natural mistrust of, having been brought up in the 1960's when they were quite popular with the low lifes at the time.

 

[Manonabike]

Not in the slightest, (not that I care wether you dislike me or not) there are nasty dogs in the same way there are nasty people BUT I would say if you owned a nasty dog you would know about it and (if you where a concientous owner) ensure it was not put in a position to harm the innocent.

I would also say that for a dog to be nasty it as been trained or treat in such a way to be made nasty unless it is a trait of the breed (Pity Bull etc) and even then it is because they have been specifically bred by US to be nasty.

Lets face it Humans are probably the Vilest creatures on earth.

Well, that is not what you said before..... I remind you that you said "Its the owners that need destroying, not the dogs." when you didn't know anything about the owner nor the circumstances the dog was able to break free to attack the poster. On the other hand we were told the fact that a dog had bitten a person on the arm which as a result the dog was destroyed. And yet, with only that information you came out with the statement "Its the owners that need destroying, not the dogs." In other words you defend a nasty dog regardless of what it does and blame owners for it. I don't dispute the fact that there are bad owners out there but they are also nasty dogs which need destroying. I must say that I'd also like to destroy the bad owners but that it's against the law.

Your argument is not different that the argument of those parents whose nasty kids go round making other people' life a misery..... "my son is a good boy and he'd never do a thing like that, Even if he did he must have been pushed to do it" parents completely blinded by their love of their kids

 

[e-rider]

I once got my leg chewed by a dog whilst cycling. The owner of the dog (an old man) didn't care at all that blood was running out of my leg in several places. I went to the hospital and they cleaned it up (no stitches needed so not too bad) but I never even thought about reporting it to police and had no idea where this guy lived anyway. Would report next time, and also give the dog a damn good kicking too - and possibly the owner!

 

[Xiorell]

Yes, I agree that there are a lot of pet owners out there who really shouldn't have an animal. But do you think compulsory training is really workable? For example, we've had several cats over the years. We don't go out looking for them - they always seem to find us! We rescued a kitten from a neighbour who wanted to drown it, another turned up on our doorstep starved half to death, and the one we have now was given to us by a collegue whose son found it abandonned. How can you enforce training in cases like this? Enforcement implies knowing exactly who has what. How could, say, our present cat be tracked to us if we didn't take it to the vet regularly, hadn't put a chip in it etc? And the sort of pet owners we're talking about here are the very sort who won't go out of the way to do sensible things like vaccinate. Besides, when I see that we still haven't really got round to addressing how to train future parents (beyond a small pep talk at school) I really think we're a long way from dealing with the pet owner training issue. But in principle I do agree with you. Especially when it comes to dogs.

Yeh I do realise there are problems with the idea of training for owners and I also realise that often, it wouldn't be needed. Your story for example, sounds like you're responsible. My rotty was a rescue job.
I dunno, just seems like there's an increase in shitty moron owners, forget us hunans, it's not fair in the animal. Something must be viable to ease the situation. I started getting really angry about poor owners when I was keeping and trading reptiles, my house became a snake/lizard sanctuary for a few years and you'd see a lot of animals in a terrible state all because someone brought it to " look well'ard" in front of mates with no clue what they was doing with said animal.

 

[Jimmy Doug]

I think this is where a lot of the problem lies. Some owners get certain, exotic, pets either without thinking about what it implies, or simply for the status. It goes to the heart of the problem of how we treat the natural world in general: as our plaything, to be exploited for our own purposes.

 

[oldfatfool]

Your argument is not different that the argument of those parents whose nasty kids go round making other people' life a misery..... "my son is a good boy and he'd never do a thing like that, Even if he did he must have been pushed to do it" parents completely blinded by their love of their kids

Equally I would put down the parents. I have no bias.

If a dumb animal attacks it is generally for a reason.

 

[e-rider]

There is no doubt that chavs get killer dogs as a status symbol - you can watch them smile as people cross the street to avoid them. This really shows how desperate these people are for other people to take some notice of them - all very sad indeed. Unfortuantely many of these people are not able to add 2 plus 2 and should definitely not be allowed to own a potential lethal animal. Certain breeds of commonly seen dogs should be strictly licenced or even banned. If people love dogs so much they can just buy a different breed - simple!

 

[oldfatfool]

On the other hand we were told the fact that a dog had bitten a person on the arm which as a result the dog was destroyed. And yet, with only that information you came out with the statement "Its the owners that need destroying, not the dogs." In other words you defend a nasty dog regardless of what it does and blame owners for it.

The point I was trying to make, all beit not very well,is that no action would have been taken against the owner, the dog lost its life, the owner would just go get another dog and the cycle would restart.

Dobermans are as soft and docile as any dog breed going they just look mean and as you point out they get 'homed' by the wrong sort because of it. Treat any breed of dog to hate humans, be afraid of humans or to attack on command and it will eventually do just that.

We hear of family friendly pets attacking infants and yes it is a tragedy, but what we don't know,and I include myself in that is what was done (if indeed anything) prior to the attack. What people don't seem to appreciate is that whilst dogs are domesticated they are still animals and (probably) not capable of cognative reasoning. Lets face it if an intelectual human being is capable of battering a defencless 90 year old around the head to pinch there pension, or is capable of chasing down a cyclist and running them over in their 3 tonne bus for some imagined slight, WHY do we expect a dog not to react if a child for example tugs its ears, trys to ride it, pinches its bone/ toy etc etc???

I'll be honest I love dogs, I have 3, all from neglected back grounds. I go out of my way to improve the wellfare of dogs. However I am a postman, I have seen the damage a dog can do and been on the receiving end. Personally I would say it is the small breeds that are the worse (just like little people they seem to have a massive chip) but of all the dogs that I avoid on my rounds I can honestly say I would also avoid the owners in the same measure.

 

[ushills]

What people don't seem to appreciate is that whilst dogs are domesticated they are still animals and (probably) not capable of cognative reasoning. Lets face it if an intelectual human being is capable of battering a defencless 90 year old around the head to pinch there pension, or is capable of chasing down a cyclist and running them over in their 3 tonne bus for some imagined slight, WHY do we expect a dog not to react if a child for example tugs its ears, trys to ride it, pinches its bone/ toy etc etc???

Any that's why we have very few vicious wild animal running around.
Why we managed to kill off all the bears and wolves and retain dogs I do not understand.

Now the only real risks to a child other than their parents or other idiots are dogs. You don't hear of rabbits or guinea pigs mauling a child.

TBH I don't really think that you should be allowed to own a pet unless you have been vetted first. When we got 2 cats from the RSPCA they interviewed us a checked our home and garden first. The same should happen with all animal sales.

Needless to say the same didn't happen when we had kids but that's another issue entirely.

 

[oldfatfool]

Any that's why we have very few vicious wild animal running around.
Why we managed to kill off all the bears and wolves and retain dogs I do not understand.

Now the only real risks to a child other than their parents or other idiots are dogs. You don't hear of rabbits or guinea pigs mauling a child.
TBH I don't really think that you should be allowed to own a pet unless you have been vetted first. When we got 2 cats from the RSPCA they interviewed us a checked our home and garden first. The same should happen with all animal sales.

Needless to say the same didn't happen when we had kids but that's another issue entirely.

Still plenty of foxes, deer, rats etc etc running about wild that would be a greater threat than dogs to children if they came in contact with them. Dogs are pretty harmless. When you consider the millions of hours children of all ages are in contact with dogs for every year and the number of incidents then it is infinitesimal. OK thats no comfort to anyone associated to dog attack like Betty, but what would you do destroy every dog to eradicate the menace? I would sooner eradicate cars, trains, busses and cycles that are each in turn responsible for more injuries and deaths than dogs.

I agree that people should be vetted before being allowed a pet, of any sort, you do appreciate though that this vetting procedure was purely from the point of view of the animals welfare though. Like wether you both work and will the animal be left alone, which rather plays into the hands of the chavtastic on the welfare state, who also get free vet care etc etc ??

 

[ushills]

[QUOTE 1880284, member: 9609"]Do you keep them in your garden - or like many cat owners do you allow them to roam around the neighbourhood killing birds in other peoples gardens ?[/quote]

Such is the circle of life, however she is yet to bring a child through the cat flap.

TBH one cat was killed and the other now has three legs courtesy of a dog. However, in the animal world that's the way it works, did I hunt down the dog, no.

With children its a bit different!

 

[Manonabike]

[QUOTE 1880288, member: 9609"]No - never seen a bad or out of control dog.[/quote]


[QUOTE 1880297, member: 9609"]True Statement.
You should save your dislike for those owners who allow their dogs to be out of control - dogs only ever try to do what they think their owners want them to do.[/quote]

I do indeed, just as I have saved some for you, after reading two of your posts obviously blinded by your love of dogs.... never mind those people that have suffered at the "hands" of savage dogs..... that's alright, they had no right getting in the way of a dog anyway.

 

[rebelpeter]

This sounds very scarry and a mad dog like that could do untold leg damage, I guess the get off and pretend to pick up a stone is good advice , my greyhound chases me in the garden if I al riding a bike but stops when I stop, so guess best would be stop and have the bike between you and the dog, but who knows guess depends on the dog really. . . .