Saw a dog attack my grandchild!

[cyberknight]

Let me guess - your dog ate them?

Cat chewed em more like , its now big enough to start bringing presents in from outside.........

 

[GrumpyGregry]

No but it would be unenforcable as all the law abiding people would do it (and potentially put their dog in danger from attacks), whilst all the s*it for brains would continue as before, therefore making it useless.

if your livestock gets attacked by other folks livestock you can sort that out with the other owner. See also "he's never done it before". I give not a fig.

if your livestock attacks people you can expect it to be destroyed. A responsible livestock owner would make it impossible for their livestock to attack any one. Unmuzzled livestock in public places should be destroyed.

Edit : Why not apply your false equivalence to speeding. Virtually unenforceable. Should we repeal speed limits?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

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I think it's fair to describe the dog attacks as random, in most cases the dog attacks out of the blue for no apparent reason.

No no, the dog attacks aren't random. It is the victim's fault for annoying the dog. By blinking, or breathing.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

if your livestock gets attacked by other folks livestock you can sort that out with the other owner. See also "he's never done it before". I give not a fig.

if your livestock attacks people you can expect it to be destroyed. A responsible livestock owner would make it impossible for their livestock to attack any one. Unmuzzled livestock in public places should be destroyed.

Edit : Why not apply your false equivalence to speeding. Virtually unenforceable. Should we repeal speed limits?

If this applied to the never do wrong kids, he was always a nice boy, can never be his fault. Child, I agree.

 

[oldfatfool]

Gee.... Thanks for that!!

I was talking from the perspective of being a postman, the uniform and/or bag does something to dogs. Wether the dog as been teased by previous postmen, or the fact you are a stranger entering their territory I don't know, we had a dobby that was a lovely animal that adored everyone but the sis in law turned up one day in postal uniform and the hound went mentle. (this was before I started the job, and the hound new her!) However the fact remains any dog if approached in what IT perceives to be the wrong way or is touched in the wrong manner can be aggresive.

Having said that for example one of my greys snarled at a young girl who was making a fuss of the four hounds out on a walk, which came as a shock to all present but she didn't make a move to actually bite. Two weeks later the hounds knee had swollen to the size of a tennis ball and she was diagnosed with aggresive bone cancer, evidently the little girl had caught this area.

The point I am making, to the girl and her father (who were both good about the incident) then Lucy was an aggressive dog, to us it was out of character as the girl hadn't appeared to do anything to hurt the hound, and all we could say was that hasn't happened before, but obviously though we didn't know it at the time the hound was in severe pain,

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

if your livestock gets attacked by other folks livestock you can sort that out with the other owner. See also "he's never done it before". I give not a fig.
if your livestock attacks people you can expect it to be destroyed. A responsible livestock owner would make it impossible for their livestock to attack any one. Unmuzzled livestock in public places should be destroyed.

I was with you up until the last bit.... If you are a responsible owner, then why would you need to muzzle. Oh and are you going to tell people their dogs should be destroyed?. Good luck with that if you are actually serious (sorry but you haven't been reading the Daily Mail recently? No kneejerk reaction at all there!)..... Will we start a fund for your funeral now?

Besides, this attack was NOT in a public place, so so much for your muzzle idea.

Edit : Why not apply your false equivalence to speeding. Virtually unenforceable. Should we repeal speed limits?

There are now cameras, etc for that though. All I am saying is that any rule or law only ever works so far, with the minority still making it a problem whatever you do.

And anyway, jeez, they normally cannot enforce the fines for dog fouling, so what chance would your (over the top) proposal have?

I was talking from the perspective of being a postman, the uniform and/or bag does something to dogs.

Fairynuff, I was referring to how you just avoided going into detail abut what you meant earlier!

 

[PaulB]

I was talking from the perspective of being a postman, the uniform and/or bag does something to dogs.

Probably all the bad news you bring shrouded in brown envelopes!

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I was with you up until the last bit.... If you are a responsible owner, then why would you need to muzzle. Oh and are you going to tell people their dogs should be destroyed?. Good luck with that if you are actually serious (sorry but you haven't been reading the Daily Mail recently? No kneejerk reaction at all there!)..... Will we start a fund for your funeral now?

By muzzling your mutt in public you would be demonstrating that you are a responsible owner.

Deadly serious. If the law were changed, as I wish it were, such that canine livestock has to be muzzled in public places then unmuzzled mutts should be rounded up on sight and exterminated.

You can't trust mutts not to attack people if the circumstances are right. Even if they've never attacked a person before.

 

[User33236]

Many years ago we had a German Sheperd bitch which we got as a pup. She was 10 weeks old when my son was born and almost immediately she took it upon herself to mother and protect him, often bearing her teeth at anyone new who came to see him. She would calm down, however, when she saw we were relaxed with this 'stranger' and I told her they were 'OK'.

Obviously as she grew along with her ability to harm this protective nature became more of a concern so, whilst walking her in public I used a head halter as a secondary 'lead'. At round six months old I started with her at dog training classes and, within a short period of time, she was fantastically responsive to all the usual commands, at least with me (she looked at my ex as if thinking "who are you talking to?").

When she was just over two years old I was playing with her one afternoon and she suddenly saw or sensed something that made her decide today was when she was going to mount her bid to be top dog. Thankfully I was able to react quickly to her attack and slap her down with no damage. In the few weeks after that she was incredibly reserved and compliant however we had decided now was time to look at rehoming her and, through our vet, found a couple who lived on a remote small-holding and wanted a dog to give some protection (their previous dog had died some weeks earlier). When they came to pick her up she attacked the bloke drawing blood from his lower arm. He shrugged this off saying he had expected such behaviour. We heard of them again a few weeks later when they reported that she had settled in well and now being every bit as loyal to them as she had been with me.

In hindsight I believe we had a lucky escape and am now somewhat wary of dogs around young children.

 

[Drago]

I trained Lemmy on a halti as he was a real one for pulling, but a rigourous regime of training (I know multiple police dog handlers and a gun dog trainer) and he is now utterly word-obedient. Been offered £10,000 for him as a gun dog trained to that degree and his physical presentation makes him one of the top ten stud labs in England, but I didn't spend all that time busting my balls and looking like a prat to sell him.

 

[pplpilot]

I went a walk into the village today passing through the park where there are several signs at the entrance(s) and around the park telling dog owners that dogs must be kept on a lead. I counted 16 dogs being walked and only one was on a lead. I also witnessed several dogs in the fenced off children's play area whilst said owners children were in there playing. Not to tar all but from where I stand and from experience the responsible owners are in the minority.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

By muzzling your mutt in public you would be demonstrating that you are a responsible owner.

Deadly serious. If the law were changed, as I wish it were, such that canine livestock has to be muzzled in public places then unmuzzled mutts should be rounded up on sight and exterminated.

You can't trust mutts not to attack people if the circumstances are right. Even if they've never attacked a person before.

Errrrr....... Okaaayyyy.....

That said, there a lot of humans I would rather that was done too instead, as lets face it, we are considerably more dangerous.....

 

[Profpointy]

I went a walk into the village today passing through the park where there are several signs at the entrance(s) and around the park telling dog owners that dogs must be kept on a lead. I counted 16 dogs being walked and only one was on a lead. I also witnessed several dogs in the fenced off children's play area whilst said owners children were in there playing. Not to tar all but from where I stand and from experience the responsible owners are in the minority.

Letting dogs go and run around free in a park seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do, assuming they are at least semi obediant and not vicous brutes or whatever hence ignoring any rule seems fair enough as it's basically people being anti anything they don't themselves do. It's a bit like the majority don't like bikes so want them banned from the roads. Crapping in kids' sandpit is obviously bad behaviour, unless of course you collect the dog poo and hang it from a tree in a bag.

I don't even have a dog, but banning or unreasonably restricting what other people do is a bad trend and could cycling be substituted in the rule and still make gramatical sense is a good guide to whether its excessive.

Dangerous or even badly behaved dogs - ok there's a point, but normal perfectly Ok dogs, no

 

[pplpilot]

Letting dogs go and run around free in a park seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do...

If it's allowed, no issue. This is a small village park with lots of families with children hence the councils restriction. Walk your dogs but keep them on a lead. I wouldn't mind but we live in a very rural area and there is an abundance of green belt. What I don't get is the people ignoring the lead rule are very respectful of cleaning up I'll give them that, I don't think I've ever seen dog mess in the park. Oh and Cycling is also a no no.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

If it's allowed, no issue. This is a small village park with lots of families with children hence the councils restriction. Walk your dogs but keep them on a lead. I wouldn't mind but we live in a very rural area and there is an abundance of green belt. What I don't get is the people ignoring the lead rule are very respectful of cleaning up I'll give them that, I don't think I've ever seen dog mess in the park. Oh and Cycling is also a no no.

Better have them muzzled though or Greg will be along to bump them off!