School kids: Rant & outcome

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Nigeyy

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What do you mean by "roar"? You mean he just tried to surprize you? I might be a bit out of the loop with the vernacular these days..... But if that is what the kid tried to do, I really don't think it merits beating him up!

I just hope the kid who did it is ultimately not a bad kid. Hopefully if the school does take on anti-social and possibly dangerous behaviour, it might just fall on his ears that he was an idiot for doing so. While I can see and understand to a point a very harassed school staff being unwilling to take on behaviour outside school hours (think about where you draw the line with this -what about if the kid did something at the weekend? On his holiday in France? Where do you stop?) I do think dangerous or idiotic behaviours going immediately to or from school should be considered, or in the neighbourhood at the very least. Like it or not, I think a school is an integral part of a community, and though its primary function may be education, appropriate social behaviour is also a valuable part of the community and life.

What can be done? I suppose the head or the teachers can acknowledge and express this is not acceptable behaviour and why. They might even try sending information to parents about this, though the priorities and costs involved might make it just impractical depending on circumstances. Now back to hoping the kid the is not a bad kid -because if he's not, he might just realize that wasn't a good idea and stop doing it. And if the parents do care, they're in the best position to influence their child.

Kind of a catch 22 situation here; if you can tell the parents they can hopefully influence their child, but the kind of kid who does this is probably the kind of kid who has "poor" parents in the first place, and who won't give a flying fig about it (probably did it themselves when they were that age and have just unfortunately reproduced and given further gifts of misery to the world).

Anyway, bottom line is that the school IMHO should be doing something about this, and push for it. The bad news is whether or not the school do something, it pretty much comes down to the parents as to whether or not the kid can truly modify their behaviour.
 

swee'pea99

Squire
"As a teacher myself I'd be interested to hear exactly what measures you'd like the school to put in place that will have an effect on what the kids do once they've left premises?"

Well if you follow Joe's suggestion and shoot them, they won't be leaving will they? Sorted.
 

Joe24

More serious cyclist than Bonj
Location
Nottingham
Archie said:
I think that's spelt N*****.

No, apparently if its got an 'a' on the end, its the new sence in the word, where as if its got an 'er' on the end, its got the old meaning. Or something along those lines.
Look in rap song lyrics, it will have an 'a' on the end.

We werent so bad when we were lower 6th form, we didnt make much noise, did do work, didnt litter and did work(just not hard enough sometimes!)
There are two people in my English Language class, who i dont think realise they do need to shut up, they can spend a whole lesson just laughing about stupid stuff, and disrupting the rest.
Just because they arent going to get kicked out the class, doesnt mean they can do whatever.
They do need shooting.
 

Joe24

More serious cyclist than Bonj
Location
Nottingham
[quote name='swee'pea99']"As a teacher myself I'd be interested to hear exactly what measures you'd like the school to put in place that will have an effect on what the kids do once they've left premises?"

Well if you follow Joe's suggestion and shoot them, they won't be leaving will they? Sorted.[/QUOTE]

Exactly;)
 

nigelnorris

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Location
Birmingham
[quote name='swee'pea99']"As a teacher myself I'd be interested to hear exactly what measures you'd like the school to put in place that will have an effect on what the kids do once they've left premises?"

Well if you follow Joe's suggestion and shoot them, they won't be leaving will they? Sorted.[/quote]
Why on Earth should I be the one to do it? Why does everything have to be my job? I'm just a schoolteacher, don't even own a gun. You want dead children go out and do the dirty work yourself instead of just trying to palm it off onto us.
 

Joe24

More serious cyclist than Bonj
Location
Nottingham
nigelnorris said:
Why on Earth should I be the one to do it? Why does everything have to be my job? I'm just a schoolteacher, don't even own a gun. You want dead children go out and do the dirty work yourself instead of just trying to palm it off onto us.

Are you trying to say that you wouldnt offer to shoot a few kids you teach?:smile:
 

purplepolly

New Member
Location
my house
Nigeyy said:
What do you mean by "roar"? You mean he just tried to surprize you? I might be a bit out of the loop with the vernacular these days..... But if that is what the kid tried to do, I really don't think it merits beating him up!

Can't speak for the OP obviously, but round here they normally lunge off the pavement whilst yelling in an attempt to force you into the path of the overtaking traffic.

However I've long since got wise to this, I move further out in good time and when they do lunge I hold my course. This invariably encourages the little darlings to retreat back onto the pavement pdq.

I'm not really given to violence but I do, yes, think they deserve to be beaten up by someone when they do this as it could easily result in a cyclist being hospitalized or killed.
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
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South London
I have a stubborn streak in me, and on Sunday arvo a schoolkid on bmx swerved towards me, and I swerved right back at him. Since I was doing 25, I had enough speed to make it a violent and extreme manouvre. He yelped! Maybe not big or clever, but he won't swerve at me again.
 

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
Having dealt quite a few times with violence, a lot of confrontation can be avoided with eye contact. If you give them a 'Don't mess with me, or I'll break your legs and shove them up your @rse" -type stare, they usually don't do anything.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
BentMikey said:
I have a stubborn streak in me, and on Sunday arvo a schoolkid on bmx swerved towards me, and I swerved right back at him. Since I was doing 25, I had enough speed to make it a violent and extreme manouvre. He yelped! Maybe not big or clever, but he won't swerve at me again.

I've done the same......:smile:
 

rusky

CC Addict
Location
Hove
XmisterIS said:
I think a big part of the problem today is that the discipline is ineffective.

For example, I was once caught smoking (yes, behind the bike shed! Lol!) - So I was given a big box of mixed resistors from the Electronics department and I had to sort them by resistance. Took me 3 hours!

The trouble with that is, kids now know that resistance is futile:laugh:

The one time :smile: I was naughty at school, I was given a petrol brush cutter to tidy the edge of the playing field!
 
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Jonathan M

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Location
Merseyside
Joe24 said:
Detentions dont bother kids now. Nor does 'On-call'(taking them out of the lesson and shoving them in a room to sit in silence and work)

Shoot them, i say.

Are you a teacher? If not then Mrs Jonathan M (she is a lecturer and has responsibility for admissions to undergrad & PGCE teaching courses) says that you have desirable qualities to undertake a teaching course!


Well, the dep head of the school ahs been back in contact today, did a walk around of the year 7/8 classes to give the little scrotes chance to hand themselves in, no-one did, raised it in assembly today & the school will be sending a letter home to all parents raising the issue of out-of-school-in-uniform behaviour. Sadly cannot see this making a difference, but if you do get terrorised by the "future of britain" then telling the school that you will be writing to OFSTED about their lack of concern & commitment to the community might jolt them into some action. Got to admit it just sounds like the school covvering their own arse in case we do write to OFSTED ("Look, we took this action......")
 

Joe24

More serious cyclist than Bonj
Location
Nottingham
Jonathan M said:
Are you a teacher? If not then Mrs Jonathan M (she is a lecturer and has responsibility for admissions to undergrad & PGCE teaching courses) says that you have desirable qualities to undertake a teaching course!

No. I could never do the job, id want to slap a kid that got cheeky to me, or shoot them.
I do think teachers should either be given a medal depending how long they last, or put into a padded cell, knowing how kids in my school are.

I had a kid on a BMX come off the pavement on the right of me, and starting moving left.
I shouted "OI" with some other stuff, and told him if he did that again id would have him flat on the floor next time.
He went off very fast as i stopped to turn into my drive.
 
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Jonathan M

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Location
Merseyside
nigelnorris said:
As a teacher myself I'd be interested to hear exactly what measures you'd like the school to put in place that will have an effect on what the kids do once they've left premises?

Well, discipline in school from the top down for a starter, and respect for the greater community. Teachers that kids are scared of would be useful too, rather than the "I want to be your friend/I'm 49 & I'm so cool" type.

Mrs JonathanM is a teacher, the school is a CLC, OFSTED would be really keen to hear about the lack of action on its part for the community, I understand that can be enough to trigger an unplanned inspection, meaning the kids who are usually on "work experience" would be present,as I'm sure you know OFSTED do consider the effect of the pupils on the community, the inspectors can & do stand outside schools monitoring behaviour and the actions of staff to control pupils.
 
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