Selfies are NOT photographs

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gbb

Legendary Member
Location
Peterborough
One point not clear, was this inside or outside ?
Outside ?..wholly innapropriate.
Inside ?...hmm maybe if its clear.

We love to visit churches and cathedrals whenever we're on holiday. Some places bar photographs inside completely. Their choice, they have their reasons. Equally, if such a place made a small charge (£2.50 seems a bit high IMO)...id happily pay.
But outside ?...they could sling their hook IMO.
 

tyred

Legendary Member
Location
Ireland
I think charging people to take photos is a step to far in the first place.

However, I would agree that selfies aren't really photos but more often a case of something to put on facebook for "the look me Mom, I'm at a cathedral, look at me Mom I've put a tea-cosy on my head" and similar such nonsense for the "I've got a boring life but want to appear interesting" brigade.
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
One point not clear, was this inside or outside ?
Outside ?..wholly innapropriate.
Inside ?...hmm maybe if its clear.

We love to visit churches and cathedrals whenever we're on holiday. Some places bar photographs inside completely. Their choice, they have their reasons. Equally, if such a place made a small charge (£2.50 seems a bit high IMO)...id happily pay.
But outside ?...they could sling their hook IMO.
All reads inside to me. Outside would be a complete non starter. Legally different too (think the mess the cops got into over zealously applying anti terror law to people photographing in the street a couple of years back) especially if you stand off the premises boundary, otherwise we could all be billing google for the maps and earth pictures of our own properties.
 
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vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
I hate all selfies

Me too.

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srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
a blanket admission fee penalises the devout

No it doesn't. Every cathedral or church I've visited with an admission charge has reserved a free area at all times for prayer. And none of them would ever charge to attend a public service. Most Anglican cathedrals have a daily evensong at which you not only get to see the building for free, you also get to listen to a professional choir.
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way

No it doesn't. Every cathedral or church I've visited with an admission charge has reserved a free area at all times for prayer. And none of them would ever charge to attend a public service. Most Anglican cathedrals have a daily evensong at which you not only get to see the building for free, you also get to listen to a professional choir.
You're making a highly selective quote and responding a long way out of context.
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
That goes for the both of them...what an crap,way to raise cash for a church...charging people to record memories.

They should just charge for entrance and be done with it.

This isn't really about what constitutes a photo, it's about whether this should be charged. It shouldn't.
Au contraire.
Better to have it free for ALL to enter and enjoy and then charge a piffling fee if people want to photograph etc. free entry to these magnificent and expensive buildings is a fantastic deal.
 

jonny jeez

Legendary Member
Disagree. There are plenty of more gaudy and commercialised places that ban photography completely.

I am not at all religious, but I recognise and respect that others are and to these people, churches etc are places of quiet spiritual contemplation and commune with their god & invariably by these types, donated to in the collection plate or honesty box. Why should their quiet and calm be disturbed by people like me or worse like the selfish OP gumps taking selfies and mouthing off about it if there is no quid-pro-quo and recompense. Life is expensive now and places that attract interest and can't / don't close themselves off to the wandering public have every right to impose whatever rules they wish within the confines of their building.

Edit: I think Churches are places where people should be able to come and go for free because they may well be there for their spiritual needs not simply as architecture tourists, a blanket admission fee penalises the devout and willing to donate against the rest of us in there cos its raining and cheaper than Starbucks or just after a few photos

Not sure what I pressed but the edit bit appeared as a new post.

But spoiling these devout people's peace and quiet is ok if the church can make some profit form it?

Ban it if they feel it will compromise spirituality, they are a church after all...(I would totally understand that approach) but they won't, because that just misses an opportunity to turn a coin.

if the policy proves successful then it will be adopted commercially and we'll all be paying a fee to take a photograph in a bus or a train, or perhaps if we are just stood outside a building that the owner feels can draw a crowd.

Plenty of places do ban photography but this is usually to protect security or copyright...churches are supposed to be free for all to enjoy...and this just isn't.

Churches, especially architecturally significant ones most likely to try this approach, have plenty of ways to bring in an income commercially, charging for a memory is absurd.
 
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