Serious accident in Finchley. Another tipper-truck.

[subaqua]

Yes!! Too high up and many blind spots

nope. correctly adjusted mirrors eliminate blind spots travelling in a straight line. any vehicle turning will have blind spots.

and as for pretending nothings wrong I prefer hard evidence. if somebody can prove to me an inanimate object on its own is dangerous then i will listen. its the human factor that makes things dangerous . the knife sat on my plate on its own won't kill me- if I do something stoopid it becomes a dangerous item

A hole in a scaffold isn't dangerous until there is somebody thegre to be hurt. Schroedinger knew this.

I have asked my Board director for H&S, thats UK wide not my operating unit, to arrange a meeting with me and Keltbray MD to discuss the youtube vids and cyclists general opinion of Keltbray driving standards

if anybody has more time than me in the next week and can collate all the Keltbray stuff so I can show the MD exactly how his drivers behave it would be appreciated.

 

[subaqua]

Re being paid by the load.
I only know one tipper truck driver.
He is paid by the load.
He works on a 'as required' basis as it is one of four jobs he has

(He is also a barman 2 nights a week and a chief for a catering company when they need him and does a bit of mini cabbing when needed to make up the money if the other jobs have not paid him enough that week)

With tipper truck driving he will get solid work for a week or two and then nothing for a month or so and then more tipper truck driving.
I think if the work was there he would do it full time, but as it's per load work it comes and goes

I know a cyclist that jumps red lights so by that logic above all cyclists jump red lights . ( which is patent bollox )

my dad was a tipper driver. he didn't kill anybody. he wrecked his life by not killing somebody who pulled out in front of him . he wasn't paid by the load he was paid per hour..

 

[subaqua]

I hate to correct you User30090 but many tipper truck drivers are paid on a 'per load' basis...

Many is NOT all.

 

[Brains]

Many is NOT all.

I don't think anyone is saying 'all', but we are saying 'some'
What we are saying, is by the way they typically drive (which is like all teenagers with a hot hatch and dark windows) would imply that 'many' are paid per load

 

[slowmotion]

I'm not suggesting that there is nothing to be done, but the idea of banning tipper trucks in the daytime is a bit of a non-starter. The trucks service construction sites. Construction sites work in the hours of daylight. If people are prepared to pay construction workers triple time to work at night, building costs are going to go through the roof, and there are going to be an awful lot of sleep-deprived neighbours.

 

[subaqua]

I'm not suggesting that there is nothing to be done but the idea of banning tipper trucks in the daytime is a bit of a non-starter. The trucks service construction sites. Construction sites work in the hours of daylight. If people are prepared to pay construction workers triple time to work at night, building costs are going to go through the roof.

yay somebody who gets it.

 

[glenn forger]

Those Dubai and Qatar billionaires are funding an awful lot of the building in London.

 

[subaqua]

Those Dubai and Qatar billionaires are funding an awful lot of the building in London.

and they didn't become/don't stay billionaires by spunking money willy nilly.

Mace put in a claim for delays etc on the Shard within 2 weeks of starting construction .

 

[mark st1]

I hate to correct you User30090 but many tipper truck drivers are paid on a 'per load' basis...

I think thats wrong tbh used to be the case sure but not nowadays.

 

[steve52]

You're original post certainly reads as if you're suggesting that the person cocerned was not riding to survive...[/
theres no placating you,so see it any way you want,

 

[mark st1]

[QUOTE 2563186, member: 30090"]You sure? I've sat in a truck and I don't recall any blind spots.[/quote]


What he said. Blind drivers maybe more the case.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

The main difference between some of User30090's posts and those of an apologist for the tipper truck industry's posts is that an apologist would apologise.

 

[smokeysmoo]

[QUOTE 2563186, member: 30090"]You sure?[/quote]

I am. I'm currently doing my LGV Class 2, (rigid), training. Believe you me, blind spots, mirror use and forward planning are drummed into you for the duration of each lesson.

[QUOTE 2563186, member: 30090"]I've sat in a truck and I don't recall any blind spots.[/quote]

Try driving one, it's very different to sitting in one.

 

[glenn forger]

A blind spot means the driver wasn't looking.

 

[mark st1]

The main difference between some of User30090's posts and an those of an apologist for the tipper truck industry's posts is that an apologist would apologise.

Ive seen your video in the Keltbray thread that is just plain shoot driving on a horrible dangerous roundabout. Ive had cyclists who clearly have a death wish pull out on me from side roads but i dont say banish all cyclists from the roads. Educate everyone and hopefully the idiots on both sides will learn. Best wishes to the injured cyclist.