Shorts for work in summer ?

[wiggydiggy]

At my last job (Primary School) they were talking about a proper uniform for staff - partly so it was clear who worked there
The teachers were adamant that it should only be for the Teaching Assistants and Admin staff and teachers needed to be in business attire as befits their status
Well - that wasn't what they said but it was the attitude of "some of them"

I was a teacher and I argued the opposite but was ignored

I did notice that the people arguing for "business attire" were all female and wore summer dresses in summer

A friend of mine left the UK teaching industry to work abroad as they found the UK teachers to be toxic and backstabbing. Not saying all UK teachers are arses to each other but I trust what they said and they wouldn't have left otherwise.

 

[Drago]

A friend of mine left the UK teaching industry to work abroad as they found the UK teachers to be toxic and backstabbing. Not saying all UK teachers are arses to each other but I trust what they said and they wouldn't have left otherwise.

I lasted less than three months as a school governor because of exactly this sort of thing. I did wonder sometimes who were the kids and who were the teachers, such was the needlessly snidey behaviour of some of them.

So when they tried it on me I volunteered to chair four panels to hear parent complaints in the coming week, then quit with zero notice, shouting "touche!" as I ran from the building.

 

[presta]

it emerged about 40 years ago.

shorts, like long trousers, usually have an inside leg measurement. That's how I avoid buying hotpants in error

I have perfectly sensible sized shorts that are newer than that. Lycra shorts: now they're the ones I couldn't get long enough.

 

[MontyVeda]

I have perfectly sensible sized shorts that are newer than that. ...

 

[Vapin' Joe]

My shorts finish just below the knee. Years of cycling kept my legs in good shape but unfortunately the knees are not a pretty sight.

 

[Gunk]

Finished working for other people in April last year, we have our own business we run part time from home, thankfully not customer facing, so I can now wear what ever I like, I’ve not worn a suit and tie or even a shirt with a collar for over a year now. This week I’ve working on a laptop in the garden.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

A friend of mine left the UK teaching industry to work abroad as they found the UK teachers to be toxic and backstabbing. Not saying all UK teachers are arses to each other but I trust what they said and they wouldn't have left otherwise.

Every school I have worked in has had a few like that
but most were OK

The most "difficult" school I worked in was also the best in terms of teachers treating each other well

This was partly due to management selecting new teacher carefully
but there was a theory that in order to deal with the problems the kids caused we needed to support each other
and anyone who didn;t wouldn;t last long

There were a few that only last one year and left - but not many

I can imagine the opposite type of school might well have the opposite effect

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

My problem with shorts is that trousers come in leg lengths because different men have different legs

shorts tend to just come as one length

and it tends to too long for people with short legs - like me

hence they tend to end up around my knees and looking stupid

I have noticed that M&S tend to sell ones that are shorter
dunno why but it suits me!

 

[Gunk]

shorts tend to just come as one length

I’ve got short legs, I just roll them up (the shorts, not my legs!)

 

[Jenkins]

I wish it had been an option when I was in employment.
Uniform was heavy weight cargo trousers and navy blue cotton shirt no matter whether you were office based or out on cargo checks. As soon as you put in any effort and got a sweat on the trousers used to stick to your legs and were made worse on occasions when overalls were needed making it even warmer. Not fun when frequently bending down for lifting.
The shirts were just as bad as high viz HAD to be worn at all times when out of the office (Dock regulations) and work had no high viz t-shirt option so our shirts often ended up looking like this...

 

[cyberknight]

I wish it had been an option when I was in employment.
Uniform was heavy weight cargo trousers and navy blue cotton shirt no matter whether you were office based or out on cargo checks. As soon as you put in any effort and got a sweat on the trousers used to stick to your legs and were made worse on occasions when overalls were needed making it even warmer. Not fun when frequently bending down for lifting.
The shirts were just as bad as high viz HAD to be worn at all times when out of the office (Dock regulations) and work had no high viz t-shirt option so our shirts often ended up looking like this...
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indeed , the salts marks ! i have to wear a hi viz waistcoat on top as well and the thick trousers mean your walking around with a puddle of sweat in your pants all day .

 

[slowmotion]

There was a case about a decade ago when bus drivers at whatever company were told they would be sent home for wearing shorts, but female staff were allowed to wear skirts, so the male drivers started coming to work in skirts.

The company realised it was check mate and shorts were allowed.

Ici?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/22/french-bus-drivers-skirts-dress-code-nantes

 

[Mike_P]

When the matter has been raised at my workplace it is always shot down as being too casual and people not wishing to see knees in the office. Both of those would be addressed by allowing below the knee length tailored shorts to be worn , on the provision of the exposed leg being shaved.

 

[Regular.Cyclist]

Dress code for where I work allows for “dress shorts”. I’ve spotted a few folk wearing them over the years but it is far from common.

 

[Drago]

I'd also do away with blazers and ties as school uniform too. Not fit for purpose in today's world.

Employers have become more lax with standards in recent years. A suit without a tie makes me feel ill. Why bother with a suit at all?

But many businesses still expect high standards of appearance, and many will require a uniform be worn. Getting children to learn to dress as theyre blummen well told is a good habit to learn, along with timekeeping, standards of behaviour, etc, or they're going to get a shock when they enter the workplace.

Prepare them for the strictest scenario theyre likely to encounter. Doing it the other way round and expecting them to magically form an instant willingess and habit to conform to a dress code is a tactic doomed to failure.

And then there's the somewhat bizarre but nevertheless well observed phenomenon of improved behaviour and academic performance in schools with a smart uniform policy (ie, proper shirt and tie, not polo shirts or sweat shirts.)

If people dress as if they mean to do seruous business they will subliminally strive to conform to that ideal, another odd but well observed phenomenon. That's why I roll my eyes at politicians that mincing about without a tie, with shirtsleeves rolled up, etc. How can we expect them to do serious business on our behalf when they don't even take it seriously enough to dress themselves properly?

Its an erosion of standards, and whatever the psychological driver behind it may possibly be there is a correlation with standards of behaviour.

A smart appearance in (a suitable) workplace environment creates an immediate perception of competence, expertise, and credibility. Whether it's a doctor in a lab coat or a senior executive in their business attire, smart dress evokes a sense of authority and expertise, establishing trust between the wearer and those they serve. How do you expect young adults to adhere to that ideal if they never learned to dress smartly at school?