Should my daughter be thinking about jobs?

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Tommy2

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Harrogate
Has anybody mentioned that this guy gave her a lift home? I didn't think that was allowed.
And then to lecture you on what should and shouldn't be done.

Who really knows what they will end up doing when they leave school anyway, sure you can have a rough idea of what you would like to do but in reality it isn't always as glamorous as you think.

I know plenty of people who did A level sciences and maths or whatever based on the fact they wanted to be a lawyer or doctor or physicist, even went on to do college and university in those careers but sacked them off because it turned out that wasn't what they wanted to do.

They were actually the ones that had parents who could pay for all the things they wanted, not the other way round.
 

Canrider

Guru
I would say that deciding on a specific job at 16 is foolish; and I would choose school subjects in large part on the basis of what I liked, for the good reason that I would expect to do better at them.

Worse, any 16-year-old's notion of their future career is likely to be
- hopelessly aspirational (I believe at that age I planned to be God-Emperor of Earth)
- hopelessly unaspirational ('I dunno')

How many 16-year-olds are going to say 'I want a job in middle management'?
 
It's no use deciding you want to be a doctor and applying to medical school if you have A levels in French, Geography and Latin. The competition for places on professional courses (e.g. medicine and law)* is so fierce that the universities can be as picky as they like..


I would have thought medicine and law would be one of the few places where Latin was actually useful. I'd bow to greater knowledge though.

I was definitely in a 'dunno' category. Ended up at sea as I'd gone to Trinity House School and it just sort of followed on from there, never any real career path planned and I suspect there are a lot of people who have a similar experience.
 

Yellow Fang

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Reading
There are some good books you can buy. I bought one for a friend's daughter. It had job descriptions, the qualifications you needed, personal attributes required, that sort of thing. I think she's aiming to be a barrister. Maybe she'd never get to be Rumpole of the Bailey, but perhaps she'd be happy being a solicitor or some other job involving the law.

It helps if you have some sort of vocation. Does she love animals? Does she like talking to people? Does she want to care for people? Does she want to shoot people? Then she has to work out if she has the right personal attributes for that sort of work. If she can't keep quiet and concentrate for more that five minutes, then that probably rules her out as a computer programmer, but it might mean she'd be an excellent at sales. She also has to ask herself whether she wants to earn a lot of money, whether she needs flexibility because her family is going to come first, whether she can stand an office environment, etc, etc.

Don't forget to remind her that there are alternatives to A levels, and also that she does not have to go to the sixth form of the school she used to go to. For example, there is the International Baccalaureat for all rounders, Ordinary National Diplomas for the vocationally oriented, and Cambridge Pre-Us for those who want to differentiate themselves from the common herd.

Another tip might be to download some graduate programmes from different companies and see if any of these excite her.
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
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Northumberland
Our elder daughter is 16, just done GCSEs and in the middle therefore of A Level choices. Her peer group seems completely obsessed with the consequences for getting a job of their choices and unwilling to countenence anything that is not directly vocational.

I have done my best to persuade her to choose the subjects she enjoys most and is best at, on the basis that if she's bright enough and gets good enough grades/degree then she'll find a job regardless of subjects (and, of course, that education has value for purposes other than improving one's income-earning potential). A happy young person with good grades in English and History is a better prospect than a miserable young person with mediocre grades in Maths and Physics.....

swansonj, I'd endorse your view of life, but choices at A level do have a bearing on what your daughter will be channeled into later. My school's curriculum timetable wouldn't allow me to do both history and geography so I had to drop one! Similarly it wouldn't allow me to do Art and Maths, but I wasn't prepared to budge on that so agreed to do Art in my 'spare' classes... made it hard work but that's what I wanted and the school backed off.

So, look at what she's good at and likes doing in her own time outside school... if possible get her to do some free aptitude tests which you can do on-line. My son did some of those with friends for the fun of it and the personality traits that emerge can give some often revealing and reasonable correlations about what your daughter is good at, what she enjoys and where her 'heart' draws her towards. Being rational, what she is good at at GCSE isn't necessarily the same at A level anyway. A range of subjects with arts and science may be good, but, if you can, try to steer her away from psychology... [I'm somewhat biased!] Your daughter will probably do 4 subjects for the first 6th form year to take her AS exams and then choose the best 3 and drop one to concentrate for the last year up to the A-level exams.... it's all high pressure but it builds slowly so she'll take it one project at a time... but make sure she understands the first one is as important as the last so she can get stuck in from the start.

I loved maths at O-level, but discovered I detested the teacher at A-level and never got to grips with it afterwards, in fact it was so limiting I grew to dislike 6th form, I did Maths, Geography, English Literature [in lieu of History which I regret even now], and Art [we had to do General Studies but we got no preparation -it was a 'have a go, and see how you get on' exam!] but by then had a week-end job and bought a motorbike so school wasn't as important after that.

I'd always wanted to be an architect from about 8, so career's lessons were a joke as the teacher didn't have a clue. In fact the Head of the 6th Form tried to suggest I should go to Polytechnic and aim lower... but she lacked imagination and confidence..

Nothing is worse than being locked into a programme of subjects that steers you towards a 'career' you know nothing about and may find she hates, so get her to spend the summer talking to as many people she meets about what it is they like or dislike about their job and how it fitted their expectations so that she can form her own opinions about what she would like.... then that needs to fit in with what she's good at... if she's not good at subjects at GCSE it will only get harder, so best choose wisely! Get her to talk to all her friends' parents, your friends and peers and find out about what real jobs are about and she'll discover how many people hate what they do having decided on a career path to please their parents.

I like your approach, it's her life: the hard part, for you, is letting her live it.

I was told, "you are good at what you like and you like what you are good at..." It all comes down to enthusiasm... that carries the day for everything and makes her shine above the rest. The spark that makes her happy. Reassure her that you'll love her no matter what she does... that security will let her try things with self belief and confidence.
 

PeteXXX

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All credit to your daughter actually wanting to think of finding a job. Lots of kids nowadays only seem to want to be a 'celebrity'.

I can't offer any advice on how to convince your daughter to stay at school as I went through similar discussions with my lass and lad and in they left school after 'O' levels. Son is now 30 and is a total waste of space, sad to say, but daughter(24) has always had a job from when I asked the boss at the company I worked at if he wanted a 'work experience slave' for a while until now. She learned the basics of office management and transport operations there and is now doing quite well where she works.
We all say that education is wasted on the young, and so it proves. Lizzi, daughter, has booked herself a Law degree course at the Open University and wishes she'd listened to her ol' Mum & Dad when we were going through the same stage as you are now, swansonj.
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
Depends on the individual. I always knew I wanted to get in to engineering and the subjects I was good at happened to be the likes of maths, physics, chemistry, Tech Studies. If she knows what she wants to then there is no harm in going down the specialisation path. If she hasn't got a clue what she wants to do than I'd say she would be far better going down the route of picking what she enjoys and having a broad range of subjects so that she has a few more options post A level.


OK then what career/university options are open to someone with Sports Studies, Art and Food Technology?

Some combinations are not particularly helpful to students and it is helpful to have a general idea of what they'd like to do so that they can explore the university courses that support that career choice and then look at the entry qualifications for the universities that appeal.

It is really important to get some research done because youngsters can not rely upon the advice proffered by schools which might have their interests served by steering students towards the 'softer' A-Levels to boost the academic points scores of the sixth forms and not by broadening the choices of their sixth formers when it comes to applying for a university place.
 

martint235

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Welling
Worse, any 16-year-old's notion of their future career is likely to be
- hopelessly aspirational (I believe at that age I planned to be God-Emperor of Earth)
- hopelessly unaspirational ('I dunno')

How many 16-year-olds are going to say 'I want a job in middle management'?
I decided I wanted to work in IT when I was 13, I've now clocked up over 20 years. I did take 2 years out to work in vaccine distribution but that was because I thought some of the IT people I was working with were complete and utter t**ts rather than disliking the job.
 

marzjennings

Legendary Member
Is she has a job or career in mind, then yes appropriate A levels would help. If not, then she should study what she loves and/or is good at. Uni is the place to start stressing about job requirements.
 
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