Simon Cowell

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

EAPC's electrically-assisted pedal cycles

are only assisted to 15.5mph while pedalling.. The SWIND that Simon was riding might as well have footrests.

There's a big difference between them

 

[jowwy]

My understanding was that the 20mph limit (allowed in the US) you refer to is not the point at which pedalling no longer becomes assisted, it's the cut off for the speed attainable under electric power alone, i.e. without pedalling. Is that not correct?

Incorrect....it’s the max assisted speed limit whilst pedalling, once over that limit, no assistance and all pedalling.

 

[jowwy]

Unfortunately there’s a desire from many yoofs who see a modded ebike as a means of getting about without the cost, discipline and responsibility that comes from owning and using a licensed vehicle.

But they can do that now with any ebike......irrelevant to any assist speed limit, so that argument is void

 

[Drago]

an ebike can go as fast as you can pedal it. Mine has been upto 50mph downhill and near 30mph on the flat, at those speeds there is NO assistance.........

Was that when you were giving Elvis a backy round to Lord Lucan's house? 👍

 

[gbb]

Not having seen any definitive proof of the type of bike he actually has, it's a bit confusing one article says he brought 2x £2000 ebikes and others state bikes capable of 60mph at a cost IRI £20,000....
Not very clear is it ?

 

[HMS_Dave]

Im not entirely sure what difference any current or future legislation regarding pedelecs or whatever will make when there is little to no enforcement, or desire to... Nothing at all stopping me going on Ebay right now, buying a 1500w system for my fat bike, sticking a 250w CE sticker on it and going out at whatever speeds other than my desire to not break the law... The police don't know what they are looking at, they're probably not interested and/or too busy doing something else to be pulling over bicycles which look suspiciously fast. Not that i condone such behaviour or breaking of laws as i personally wouldn't either, but the reality is, there are little to no convictions. What makes it worse is the police would surely need to prove it also, so that means taking the bike away to some sort of testing facility to get the accurate figures for a court of law. Sadly, convictions are only ever going to be likely after someone is seriously injured or worse, in my opinion...

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Incorrect....it’s the max assisted speed limit whilst pedalling, once over that limit, no assistance and all pedalling.

Have you got a reference for that? I'll have a look through my notes but it would be useful if you had the relevant legislation to hand.

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/24/pdfs/uksi_20150024_en.pdf

 

[jowwy]

Was that when you were giving Elvis a backy round to Lord Lucan's house? 👍

And a big bull from the local field ready for the aboitoire..........I likes my beef innit

 

[jowwy]

Have you got a reference for that? I'll have a look through my notes but it would be useful if you had the relevant legislation to hand.

i hope this helps and jogs your memory

 

[CXRAndy]

There are two basic electric assist. One is speed assist where as long as the pedals are rotating, the motor will give max assistance to that selected level.

Torque sensing system multiplies the riders input, so even with max level assist, if the rider soft pedals the power the motor gives will be low.

You can out pace the speed limit and on both systems the motor switches off and require full user input to go faster.

I prefer the torque sensing version, because it needs more than just soft pedalling to get the speed

 

[roadrash]

an ebike can go as fast as you can pedal it. Mine has been upto 50mph downhill and near 30mph on the flat, at those speeds there is NO assistance.........so no insurance, ved and cbt required, so why should i require them to get 20mph assist??

i realise i may be going out on a limb here but........
so no insurance, ved and cbt required, so why should i require them to get 20mph assist??

maybe..... just maybe.... because the law says so .

 

[slowmotion]

Not having seen any definitive proof of the type of bike he actually has, it's a bit confusing one article says he brought 2x £2000 ebikes and others state bikes capable of 60mph at a cost IRI £20,000....
Not very clear is it ?

Surely, you're not expecting CCers to give up their long-held tradition of wild speculation?????

 

[jowwy]

i realise i may be going out on a limb here but........
so no insurance, ved and cbt required, so why should i require them to get 20mph assist??

maybe..... just maybe.... because the law says so .

At the moment the law doesn’t say so......as ebikes are 15.5mph limit

 

[BoldonLad]

I am not a legal expert, but, presumably, lack of legal requirement for Insurance, does not exempt riders of these machines (in UK) from legal liability for their actions, including a “duty of care”, to the rest of us?