Sin bin for red light jumping cyclists

[blackrat]

Not all roads are eight lanes wide over here, "here" for the post in question being Shipley, in West Yorkshire.

Owabout we don't derail the thread any further?

Why, are you not capable of entertaining more than one subject at a time? Merely asking for clarification. You go into a pub,, someone starts a conversation, then another brings up another topic, do you then say stop, we are only talking about "....."? You wouldn't last long.

Obviously. I am assuming you are not in the UK.

Same in the UK. It is an offence to break the law in order to facilitate an emergency vehicle.

Are you sure? You seem very shy of saying where "here" is...

Not at all 'shy'. I have said on other parts of this forum I live on the Upper Texas Gulf Coast. I used to live in Norwich, Bircham, Bickley, Bromley, Cambridge, Silver End and Balsham. Also Connecticut and Colorado.

 

[classic33]

Why, are you not capable of entertaining more than one subject at a time? Merely asking for clarification. You go into a pub,, someone starts a conversation, then another brings up another topic, do you then say stop, we are only talking about "....."? You wouldn't last long.

Quite easy keeping multiple conversations going, with different people(On different threads on here). But I'd not turn to the person I was talking to about one thing and start talking about something I were talking to another about. And if somebody were to jump in with a half baked answer about how they'd do similar somewhere else, they'd receive a similar short "request" from myself, as was made here. Possibly with a very sharp reminder that they were talking about a very different situation to that they mentioned.

Now, owabout we stay on about cyclists who jump/run redlights. It is after all what I did, and I explained my reasons for doing so.

 

[SteveH80]

Might not be in Scotland,but in England they're everywhere

In London and the other major cities they might be, but not the rest of England. That said you've got to adapt to the environment you're in.

 

[Brandane]

Unless you know that the outcome of the emergency call was the death of a patient because of a delay of a few seconds your conscience will soon clear up about it.

Ok, what about a fire engine trying to get to a house fire where people are trapped? An ambulance trying to get to someone in cardiac arrest? Police trying to reach someone being attacked? In these scenarios and many more, seconds count. And for those few seconds where some self righteous driver has refused to budge because the law says it's wrong, multiply those seconds by however many similar junctions the emergency vehicle might have to pass through. Then we're talking munutes, not seconds. Could be the difference between life and death, and it might be your family or loved one.

 

[Mike_P]

Ok, what about a fire engine trying to get to a house fire where people are trapped? An ambulance trying to get to someone in cardiac arrest? Police trying to reach someone being attacked? In these scenarios and many more, seconds count. And for those few seconds where some self righteous driver has refused to budge because the law says it's wrong, multiply those seconds by however many similar junctions the emergency vehicle might have to pass through. Then we're talking munutes, not seconds. Could be the difference between life and death, and it might be your family or loved one.

Unless its a one street traffic in the opposing direction should be giving way to allow the emergency vehicles through on the wrong side of the road.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

Why, are you not capable of entertaining more than one subject at a time? Merely asking for clarification. You go into a pub,, someone starts a conversation, then another brings up another topic, do you then say stop, we are only talking about "....."? You wouldn't last long.

Quite easy keeping multiple conversations going, with different people(On different threads on here).

Mod Note:
As @classic33 noted, this is not the pub but an online forum.
By convention and for the enjoyment of the membership, it's polite to keep to one topic for one thread, as per the thread's title.
Cheers from the mods!

 

[blackrat]

Mod Note:
As @classic33 noted, this is not the pub but an online forum.
By convention and for the enjoyment of the membership, it's polite to keep to one topic for one thread, as per the thread's title.
Cheers from the mods!

That would make for an utterly boring forum. But if that is what the owner of the cyclechat wants, then, I guess!!!!

For me, my mind is quite capable of entertaining several topics at once, maybe others cannot do that? Anyway, as I said???

 

[icowden]

For me, my mind is quite capable of entertaining several topics at once, maybe others cannot do that? Anyway, as I said???

We all do that. They are in different threads. That's how it works.

 

[blackrat]

We all do that. They are in different threads. That's how it works.

Principles of Newspeak

 

[brommieinkorea]

There is already a problem of how cyclists are perceived if this is raising such widespread comment while motorised RLJers fly under the radar, despite cars managing to kill 360 pedestrians every year.

Cyclists could find a cure for cancer and eradicate poverty and we'd still be demonised, because large sections of the media and social media rely on rage-bait to sustain their existence.

Riders shouldn't behave in this manner, but they all suddenly stopped doing so we'd still be the two wheel barsteward offspring of Satan and Jack the Ripper to large swathes of society. The engrenched view of cyclists is too illogical and far too ingrained to be changed, probably for generations, if at all.

Yep this.
Here in 'Merica it's about the heirarchy of road users:
From top to bottom..... Car Driver, Dog , Deer, Truck Driver, Pedestrian, Vermin, Cyclist.
Raccoons and Opossums are slaughtered on US roads at an alarming rate, and people in cars seem to find it distressing, unlike with cyclists, who had it coming for cycling on the road.

 

[matticus]

Unless you know that the outcome of the emergency call was the death of a patient because of a delay of a few seconds your conscience will soon clear up about it.

The point is that Citizen Brandane knows the siren-assisted trip is clearly important for someone's health, and might lead to saving their life.
(Would you prefer he stopped and asked the driver if he's really in a hurry?)

 

[Rusty Nails]

The point is that Citizen Brandane knows the siren-assisted trip is clearly important for someone's health, and might lead to saving their life.
(Would you prefer he stopped and asked the driver if he's really in a hurry?)

I would prefer that he did whatever he thought he had to do to help (as virtually everyone, including me) does in these circumstances) without the emotional stuff about conscience over an extremely minimal chance that his particular delay of seconds would lead to loss of life, in an outcome he would never hear of.

Driving for probably 600,000 miles over 60 years mostly in towns and cities I couldn't even begin to estimate how many emergency vehicles I have made way for, especially at junctions and lights in that time and I have never once given it a second thought at the time nor worried that I may have contributed to someone's death by being too slow to give way. I have moved slightly over the stop line quite a few times, but am not sure I would go much further than that to get out of the way given the way that it would be deemed a traffic offence. If it is that much of an issue the law should be changed to allow it, to assist in the progress of an emergency vehicle.