Thanks for all the answers I will be replacing the upstairs one in the next few days, probably with the same model as this will save me having to drill more holes in the ceiling. It was a strange morning,The alarm was chirping at 00:15, I thought I had sorted it.The fire alarm went off full blast at 04:15, sorted that. The dog started howling at at 04:45, sorted that, got back to bed 05:20. Alarm clock went off at 06:00, sorted that. The wife's alarm went off at 07:00, she sorted that. Was up by 07:40. Tried to book the bike on to Virgin rail next Saturday via the telephone, got the runabout from a call centre probably in India but did not get tickets, uttered some politically incorrect words that could be considered offensive (but uttered more in frustration than conviction) Rode down to Carlisle station got the tickets from a very helpful man behind the desk. Faith restored.