Speeding in Richmond Park?

[gaz]

I vaguely recall someone saying the bylaw no longer stood, yay or nay?

A teenager doing 37mph on his push bike in Richmond Park was handed a six-month conditional discharge.

The 16-year-old, who cannot be named for legal reasons, broke the royal park’s 20mph speed limit when he rode his bike down Sawyers Hill on June 13.

As well as the conditional discharge he was also ordered to pay a £15 victim surcharge and £85 in costs by Lavender Hill Magistrates’ Court on Thursday, September 12.

http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtim...for_cycling_at_37mph_in_Richmond_Park/?ref=mc

Doesn't say what he was actually charged with.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

I vaguely recall someone saying the bylaw no longer stood, yay or nay?


http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtim...for_cycling_at_37mph_in_Richmond_Park/?ref=mc

Doesn't say what he was actually charged with.

With a victim surcharge mentioned I doubt that is was simply a charge for speeding. I did think that Royal Parks, at least in Greenwich, had discovered that they had no ability to enforce the 20mph limit (and I believe the 20mph signs have been removed).

 

[gaz]

With a victim surcharge mentioned I doubt that is was simply a charge for speeding. I did think that Royal Parks, at least in Greenwich, had discovered that they had no ability to enforce the 20mph limit (and I believe the 20mph signs have been removed).

Victim surcharges are applied to any fine that is imposed at court, including speeding fines.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Victim surcharges are applied to any fine that is imposed at court, including speeding fines.

Oh, silly me, there I was thinking there had to be a victim.

 

[gaz]

Oh, silly me, there I was thinking there had to be a victim.

Nah, it's an additional fee that is added to all court fines that goes towards support for victims of any crime.

 

[Deleted member 20519]

How busy is Richmond Park?

 

[slowmotion]

How busy is Richmond Park?

Quite a few cyclists and cars at weekends. I don't know about weekdays. It's fun to go after they lock the gates to cars.

 

[gaz]

How busy is Richmond Park?

I've never managed to go when it is quite, even on a weekday after work there are plenty of cyclists and several cars.
A problem is the deer. Sometimes they just bolt across the road, having that happen when doing 40mph isn't going to be good.

 

[musa]

Deer in the day is bad enough but when it's sun setting time I'm out

 

[slowmotion]

Deer in the day is bad enough but when it's sun setting time I'm out

There's at least one completely suicidal badger after dark too.

 

[Beebo]

I was pulled over by the parks police in Bushy Park when I was in my teens, they took great pleasure in telling me what would happen if a large male deer crashed through my windscreen at 30mph, It did make me think and slow up.

I cycle through Greenwich Park every morning and most cars are very good at keeping to the 20mph speed limit. I have no idea if it could be enforced though.There are no deer in Greenwich Park, just suicidal squirrels.

 

[swansonj]

IANAL. But the orthodoxy in places where cyclists discuss such matters is:

The Royal Parks and Other Open Spaces Regulations set the speed limits in Royal parks at 20 mph, applying to "vehicles" and therefore including cycles.

The Royal Parks and Other Open Spaces Amendment Regulations 2010, Section 1(2) defined "vehicle" (to which the speed limits in the original regulations apply) as a mechanically propelled vehicle and thereby excluded bicycles from the speed limits.

I have zero independent knowledge of whether that is legally correct or whether anything has changed since.

 

[gilespargiter]

A cycle is regarded as having no reliable accurate way to determine it's speed. So speed limits do not apply to it as you have no way to discover whether or not you are within them.

 

[slowmotion]

I have no idea if the limit can be enforced, but there is a sign indicating that cyclists should stick to 20 mph very near Roehampton Gate, Richmond Park. I passed it this afternoon, slowly.

 

[spen666]

http://road.cc/content/news/94300-teen-cyclist-fined-riding-37mph-richmond-park