Strava sues Garmin

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Webbo2

Über Member

Stop trying to sign me up to their free trial. In my dreams I guess.
 

PaulSB

Squire
I wonder what Strava hopes to achieve by this action? I haven't used a Garmin for 5 - 6 years but when I did I wasn't aware of these features in Garmin.

RWGPS, which I use for planning, also uses heat maps and segments. I occasionally use heat maps in RWGPS.

I believe Komoot uses heat maps and cycle travel has a similar feature.

As all three (five?) use heat maps and segments it's hard to understand why Strava are upset. As a consumer I see these as available features of occassional passing interest. Neither determine which company I use.

For me this furthers my impression of Strava, a company run by stroppy children.
 
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Drago

Legendary Member
I wouldn't have thought that Garmin wouldn't pose much competition as an equipment manufacturer to Strava. While anyone can use it, the Garmin software environments whole reason for being is to serve Garmin equipment users.
 

wakemalcolm

Legendary Member
It's a strange one and I can only think of 2 reasons to do it:
1. It's a defensive move to protect themselves against users defecting to the Garmin subscription service or
2. It's an offensive move and Strava are about to launch some hardware (or more likely white-label somebody else's).
As a recent Garmin hardware purchaser, I think both of these are doomed to fail, and as a Strava paid subscriber, I really can't wait for my subscription to end.
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Garmin is about 70% of the source of data for Strava. If Garmin turns off API access for Strava, the latter will implode.

True, but if they did that a significant percentage of Garmin's customers would explode and stampede off to Wahoo.

To be honest, if I was entering the market as a newbie right now I wouldn't see any need for Strava or RWGPS. I'd find everything I wanted in Garmin Connect. It's only because Garmin was lacking in the ride logging and route planning and sharing features way back then that I went and made a home for myself in RWGPS. (As did others in Strava)

Maybe Garmin could turn off Strava API syncing for new accounts. Or make it a paid-for feature. Or degrade it so that only basic location and time syncing was free but HR, power etc were paid for. That would be fun to watch.:popcorn:
 
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Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
It's a strange one and I can only think of 2 reasons to do it:
1. It's a defensive move to protect themselves against users defecting to the Garmin subscription service or
2. It's an offensive move and Strava are about to launch some hardware (or more likely white-label somebody else's).
As a recent Garmin hardware purchaser, I think both of these are doomed to fail, and as a Strava paid subscriber, I really can't wait for my subscription to end.

I suspect it's (1). Strava has a dominant position now, but it does have long term weaknesses and it isn't too big to fail. I think they are being forward looking but taking risky aggressive actions.

One scenario is that it could get reduced to the role of back end database while external services (Trainer road, veloviewer ...) suck the data out and provide value added services for $$ that could be going to Strava.

Another scenario is that hardware suppliers (Garmin, Fitbit ...) end up providing all the services that the end user wants and Strava is rendered irrelevant. The next generation of cyclists may not think "if it ain't on Strava it didn't happen". And once that happens they risk becoming the MySpace of sports data.

So they have decided to take preemptive action. They had a pop at value added providers, and now they're having a pop at Garmin.

It all depends on the myth "if it ain't on Strava it didn't happen". As long as that holds they have something over the hardware manufacturers. A gizmo that doesn't seamlessly sync to Strava is at a big disadvantage. But if that bubble bursts then Garmin and Wahoo etc will just see them as competitors and stop feeding them.
 
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