Taking off the door mirror...

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Really? What happened to the British "aplomb-iness"? In all my 30 years in the UK have never seen a street fight between drivers, plenty abroad of course.
Seen lots of street fights between drunken pedestrians, but then I do live in Glasgow.
Cycling here in the sticks is not normal yet, we are getting there slowly but surely.

My commute was through east London, I saw loads of road rage, fights, a man headbutting a windscreen and a cyclist who threw his bike through the windscreen of someone who nearly took them out. Parts of my ride took me through areas where 1 in 8 cars were uninsured, these are the vehicles that carry out the ten hit-and-runs EVERY SINGLE DAY in the capital. Of course they won't stop. They're uninsured.
 

coffeejo

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This works both ways though. Why should you accept something on the road which you wouldn't accept in any other walk of life? If I'm in a supermarket and somebody starts to ram their trolley into the back of my legs or push infront of me in the queue because they think they have a right to get to the checkout before me I wouldn't find that acceptable. I wouldn't start rolling around the aisles fighting with them but I'd certainly say something and dependant on the proximity I may well push their trolley. I don't think they'd hate every other shopper because I did that and they may think twice before they decided to be so rude in the future.
They push you, you push back ... let's assume that since they pushed you in the first place, they'll almost certainly push back. What then? You didn't walk away the first time, will you now? End result? You may well end up rolling around the aisles fighting, possibly resulting in a charge for both of you for disturbing the peace and maybe criminal damage.
 

nickyboy

Norven Mankey
My commute was through east London, I saw loads of road rage, fights, a man headbutting a windscreen and a cyclist who threw his bike through the windscreen of someone who nearly took them out. Parts of my ride took me through areas where 1 in 8 cars were uninsured, these are the vehicles that carry out the ten hit-and-runs EVERY SINGLE DAY in the capital. Of course they won't stop. They're uninsured.

Come for a ride in the Peak District. I've done 8,000 miles in the last two years and never had any abuse, never had a close pass, never seen any violence.

In all seriousness, I suspect that may be at the heart of the differences in opinion. Urban commuters are in a far more dangerous environment than me, pootling around the hills of Derbyshire. My comments re criminal damage and "talking not fighting" still apply however.
 
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GrumpyGregry

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Really? What happened to the British "aplomb-iness"? In all my 30 years in the UK have never seen a street fight between drivers, plenty abroad of course.
Seen lots of street fights between drunken pedestrians, but then I do live in Glasgow.
Cycling here in the sticks is not normal yet, we are getting there slowly but surely.
Come to Sussex. I see at least a couple a year. TLH sees even more but they are quite punchy in Crawley where she works.
 

VamP

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I agree that turning the other cheek is the correct response. I struggle with it myself at the time of being put in danger so very trivially by an aggressive driver, but realise that violence is not a constructive way to deal with it.
 
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GrumpyGregry

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Indeed.. and we are not talking about close passes here. We are talking aggressive, bullying, peanut drivers, who will have no time or inclination to 'have a chat' about their wrong doings.
For the record, as stated in another, now locked thread,

I only forcibly remove the door mirrors of vehicles that

a) are driven by twunts stupid enough to let me catch them
and only after
b) said twunt was previously stupid enough to have brought any part of their vehicle into contact with me.

I'm not talking close passes. I'm not talking punishment overtakes. I'm talking twunts who have used their vehicle to assault me, intentionally or not.
 

uclown2002

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For the record, as stated in another, now locked thread,

I only forcibly remove the door mirrors of vehicles that

a) are driven by twunts stupid enough to let me catch them
and only after
b) said twunt was previously stupid enough to have brought any part of their vehicle into contact with me.

I'm not talking close passes. I'm not talking punishment overtakes. I'm talking twunts who have used their vehicle to assault me, intentionally or not.

How often has it happened to you?
 
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GrumpyGregry

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Indeed.. and we are not talking about close passes here. We are talking aggressive, bullying, peanut drivers, who will have no time or inclination to 'have a chat' about their wrong doings.
I'd like to see folk try to have a chat with some of the ****s that drive around Mid-Sussex. You may as well walk up to a total stranger and tell him he has a tiny cock and his mother dresses him funny. You'd get a calmer and more positive response than you will from any driver you have a chat with around Haywards Heath. And that's according to all our other cyclists at work, and members of my club. Me? I don't ever talk to drivers except to sarcastically ask the odd one if he is driving for charity when he is stuck in a queue. Complete waste of breath otherwise.
 
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GrumpyGregry

GrumpyGregry

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How often has it happened to you?
You can figure it out from the OP.
 
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GrumpyGregry

GrumpyGregry

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I agree that turning the other cheek is the correct response. I struggle with it myself at the time of being put in danger so very trivially by an aggressive driver, but realise that violence is not a constructive way to deal with it.
What is a constructive way to deal with it that has even a small chance of modifying driver behaviour, that's the question? For me it is now using a headcam and reporting them.
 
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GrumpyGregry

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I'll be honest - I wouldn't go out on a ride with someone who I couldn't trust to keep their temper under control. Nobody's perfect, I fully accept that. But I still wouldn't do it.
Define keeping their temper under control please. A highly subjective measure. Ok if they scream and shout abuse?

I think that on 3 out of 5 occasions I did it in completely cold-blood some while after the initial contact. The petrol station was a temper thing though. It came from trying to talk to the driver calmly, getting a torrent of abuse back and him manhandling my bike.
 

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
They push you, you push back ... let's assume that since they pushed you in the first place, they'll almost certainly push back. What then? You didn't walk away the first time, will you now? End result? You may well end up rolling around the aisles fighting, possibly resulting in a charge for both of you for disturbing the peace and maybe criminal damage.
So you stare straight ahead whilst they continue to treat you with an outrageous lack of respect? Let's up the ante a little, lets suppose it's a man doing it because you're a woman and they're bigger and stronger than you, so we allow them to because we wouldn't want to cause a scene?
 
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