Tank dilemma

Cromwell or Sherman Firefly?

  • Cromwell

    Votes: 9 56.3%
  • Sherman Firefly

    Votes: 7 43.8%

  • Total voters
    16
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NorthernDave

Never used Über Member
If you're going to force me to choose a WW2 era tank, I'll have a King Tiger.

Sorry.

;)
 

Drago

Legendary Member
My grandfather was a tank gunner. I always wondered why he called Shermans ronson. Then I found out ronson was brand of lighter. Not exactly going to fill you with confidence climbing into it.

Later Sherman's had wet ammo stowage, and a much lower chance of going up if the hull were penetrated.
 
Firefly was entering battle for the first time. The Cromwell had already been there.

Typical of the yanks, late again!
We offered the Firefly to the American's but they preferred to go their own way despite their own soldiers wanting them. The result of this was a limited number that could be deployed, I think it was a ratio of 1 Firefly in a troop of 4 tanks.
The 17 pounded in the Firefly had plenty of power but produced quite a flash and filled the turret with smoke but it did mean that we had a tank which made the Panzer's a bit more wary. The length of the gun barrel was an obvious clue as to which Sherman was a Firefly and some were painted with camouflage in order to disguise its length.
I am still trying to decide on which tank to choose. The Cromwell was fast and manouverable having a Rolls Royce Meteor engine. The Sherman tank was taller and was prone to burst into flames when hit by a shell, which they think was due to where the amunition was stored high up in the sponsons.
If it was a choice between an ordinary Sherman against a Cromwell I think I would choose a Cromwell, but for firepower it would have to be a Firefly.
One other point, one reason why the Cromwell was disliked was due to it's silhouette being similar to some Panzers and could easily be mistaken for one.
 

twentysix by twentyfive

Clinging on tightly
Location
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They are both mean looking b*gg*rs but one is better armoured
 

Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
Jeez, i didn't know that so many actually found things like tanks interesting bordering on fascinating. This reminds me of the radio phone in last night where the presenter was trying to outsmart callers who wanted to argue about hydrogen and oxygen combusting,or summat like that. Callers kept phoning up and trying to sound like boring know it all physics teachers,with the presenter trying to put them down and show that he was right. This went on for the best part of an hour. No wonder i fell asleep.:tired:

These are the only tanks i find interesting.
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classic33

Leg End Member
Jeez, i didn't know that so many actually found things like tanks interesting bordering on fascinating. This reminds me of the radio phone in last night where the presenter was trying to outsmart callers who wanted to argue about hydrogen and oxygen combusting,or summat like that. Callers kept phoning up and trying to sound like boring know it all physics teachers,with the presenter trying to put them down and show that he was right. This went on for the best part of an hour. No wonder i fell asleep.:tired:

These are the only tanks i find interesting.
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No gun on that!
 

classic33

Leg End Member
We offered the Firefly to the American's but they preferred to go their own way despite their own soldiers wanting them. The result of this was a limited number that could be deployed, I think it was a ratio of 1 Firefly in a troop of 4 tanks.
The 17 pounded in the Firefly had plenty of power but produced quite a flash and filled the turret with smoke but it did mean that we had a tank which made the Panzer's a bit more wary. The length of the gun barrel was an obvious clue as to which Sherman was a Firefly and some were painted with camouflage in order to disguise its length.
I am still trying to decide on which tank to choose. The Cromwell was fast and manouverable having a Rolls Royce Meteor engine. The Sherman tank was taller and was prone to burst into flames when hit by a shell, which they think was due to where the amunition was stored high up in the sponsons.
If it was a choice between an ordinary Sherman against a Cromwell I think I would choose a Cromwell, but for firepower it would have to be a Firefly.
One other point, one reason why the Cromwell was disliked was due to it's silhouette being similar to some Panzers and could easily be mistaken for one.
The main gun was developed in the UK, according to information in the link.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
It was pretty much a complete redesign of the 17 pounder by a British engineer, who modified the gun and recoil system to fit. He that had to move the turret hatches about so troops could squeeze in past the larger breech, and the radio to a 'bustle' outside the turret at the rear.

It nearly didn't happen due to internal opposition to the project, but eventually went ahead as a stop gap while better British tanks were developed. Just as well, as the hoped for British steel was longer in coming to service than anticipated
 
There was a good series on the TV a few years ago devoted to restoring WW2 tanks. IIRC 2 of the programmes featured a tank museum from the Isle of Wight, one was on the Comet tank and another was of the Sherman tank restoration in which they cut 2 Sherman's in half and welded the good sections together again.
I think Tom Wheatcroft the owner of Donnington race circuit collects military vehicles.
 
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