Teacher Training Days - and 13 weeks holiday

[jamin100]

I am not saying it is right,joining on to days to a holiday but if teachers need to learn about new trends the trainers teaching them can not do the whole country in one go,but why does the hoe school have to shut if you have the IT being update and why can't a few schools in the area get together

Because each school is different. In IT especially. Their is not one uniform ICT network that is the same from school to school. Im an IT manager and the staff here have a teacher training day on the first day back in september.

The morning session will include diary dates, any notices and a bit of IT training. After lunch its that weeks PPA time for the teachers to get their classrooms ready etc

 

[MacB]

Perhaps Mac to acquire any credibility, we all need our partners to write in to say how hard we all work.

nah just avoid spouting non experiential bollocks and ignorant rants....but then it is the net so............

 

[Archie_tect]

...carry on!

 

[Paul J]

nah just avoid spouting non experiential bollocks and ignorant rants....but then it is the net so............

Looks like you are talking bollocks yourself and are ignorant to anyone elses opinion.

 

[MacB]

Looks like you are talking bollocks yourself and are ignorant to anyone elses opinion.

With your perception filter I'm sure it does come across that way but don't worry there are always night classes as a way of bringing yourself up to speed.

 

[Paul J]

Sorry already upto speed that teachers get a good deal, and that you need evening classes in social etiquette but then I saw you are a financial anaylst and realised you don't have any manners to start with.

 

[User482]

So, we entrust our precious children to people who are highly trained and regularly work long hours for a moderate salary, yet some people still begrudge them a long holiday. I think some people are exceptionally mean-spirited.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

I mean, being subjected to some people's precious little 'angels', and then have the parents get angry with you when you try and do your job, as well as having the education authority and the H&SE breathing down your kneck constantly, I think my Mum should have got some sort of medal with the amount of utter sh*te she had to put with!

Incidentally, my Mum wanted to be a Nurse (just as bad) but it wasn't the done thing for her parents, so she was a teacher instead.

 

[MissTillyFlop]

Whats the problem with long hours, earning a yearly salary that is way above what alot of educated people earn and having long holidays. If you don't like it move aside and work in a factory for 60 hrs a week on minimum wage. Then I think you might have a perspective on the real world, rather than this elevated view that teachers all seem to have that their job is the hardest.

Noone was compalining about being a teacher or sayign that it was the hardest job in the world. The thread was started on teh assumption that teacher were lazy ***holes, basically, which isn't true.

Doubtless there hundreds of harder jobs and thousands with lower pay.

 

[MissTillyFlop]

I think the problem on this thread is that it seems to have degenerated into a parents Vs teachers thing.

This a load of fictional b******s - assuming that every parent wants their child to do well in life and make something of themselves, then apart from a few bad apples on both sides, teachers and parents want the same thing.

However, you can't just expect to send your kid to school and your job to be over - I can tell by speaking to the parents on here that they invest a lot of time in their children and their education, because they are so passionate about it, but not all parents do and expect their jobs as parents to be over when their kid reaches the age of 5.

Needless to say there are also awful teachers who are there for the paycheque and are hoping noone notices...

 

[marinyork]

I think the problem on this thread is that it seems to have degenerated into a parents Vs teachers thing.

This a load of fictional b******s - assuming that every parent wants their child to do well in life and make something of themselves, then apart from a few bad apples on both sides, teachers and parents want the same thing.

However, you can't just expect to send your kid to school and your job to be over - I can tell by speaking to the parents on here that they invest a lot of time in their children and their education, because they are so passionate about it, but not all parents do and expect their jobs as parents to be over when their kid reaches the age of 5.

It's a sociological thing. And I don't find it in the least surprising viewed in that context because we've gone from a system where a few decades ago teachers had a higher status than they do now (it was never super high but higher than it is now) and in some ways lower pay (and very different conditions) to a system where now where (outside colleges) they get paid very well* and it has become much more credentialized. We've also had a system where the school leaving age has crept up and the de facto leaving age has crept up for education as more people are doing 'academic' things in colleges and going to university compared to the past.

I agree that you can't just expect to send your kid to school and your job be over. I agree with that more than just about any other teacher I have ever spoken to. However you can argue that changes to teaching the last few decades (making it more professionalised, making it harder to get into and higher pay, endless performance targets) could actually have entrenched opinion on this matter. Making education into a commodity hasn't helped either and neither has our slow move over the last few decades to an instant gratification society.

 

[MissTillyFlop]

It's a sociological thing. And I don't find it in the least surprising viewed in that context because we've gone from a system where a few decades ago teachers had a higher status than they do now (it was never super high but higher than it is now) and in some ways lower pay (and very different conditions) to a system where now where (outside colleges) they get paid very well* and it has become much more credentialized. We've also had a system where the school leaving age has crept up and the de facto leaving age has crept up for education as more people are doing 'academic' things in colleges and going to university compared to the past.

I agree that you can't just expect to send your kid to school and your job be over. I agree with that more than just about any other teacher I have ever spoken to. However you can argue that changes to teaching the last few decades (making it more professionalised, making it harder to get into and higher pay, endless performance targets) could actually have entrenched opinion on this matter. Making education into a commodity hasn't helped either and neither has our slow move over the last few decades to an instant gratification society.

BAM! Agreed. Nail. Head. Discussion over.

 

[Berties]

Because each school is different. In IT especially. Their is not one uniform ICT network that is the same from school to school. Im an IT manager and the staff here have a teacher training day on the first day back in september.

The morning session will include diary dates, any notices and a bit of IT training. After lunch its that weeks PPA time for the teachers to get their classrooms ready etc

After speaking to the IT chap at my lads school ,I am on of the few who agree in the training days,but why does the whole school have to close?,our school is a maths and Computing specialising school,thanks for clarifying why you could not share training with other schools it was only a shoot from the hip scenario,I would also never knock the commitment of our teachers,with society and the fact the kids are training for jobs that now don't exist ,they do a good job,with out their experience where would the kids be

 

[MissTillyFlop]

After speaking to the IT chap at my lads school ,I am on of the few who agree in the training days,but why does the whole school have to close?,our school is a maths and Computing specialising school,thanks for clarifying why you could not share training with other schools it was only a shoot from the hip scenario,I would also never knock the commitment of our teachers,with society and the fact the kids are training for jobs that now don't exist ,they do a good job,with out their experience where would the kids be

Some schools are very sadly reticent to share materials with other schools as they are seen as "competition".

 

[marinyork]

After speaking to the IT chap at my lads school ,I am on of the few who agree in the training days,but why does the whole school have to close?,our school is a maths and Computing specialising school,thanks for clarifying why you could not share training with other schools it was only a shoot from the hip scenario,I would also never knock the commitment of our teachers,with society and the fact the kids are training for jobs that now don't exist ,they do a good job,with out their experience where would the kids be

It's not just schools that are affected by this. Public libraries have undergone this the last 5 years. Libraries now regularly have a few days a year where they will shut up shop for training on computers.

A maths and computing specialising school, an interesting concept, tell me more about how well you think this works?