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gbrown

Geoff on Bkool
Location
South Somerset
Whats the pconcensuswhen gping downhill - just let it freewheel or keep spinning pushing out big watts? Up to now ive always kept pushing hard but never seem to catch up much on competitors so im thinking it migjt be better to try and conserve the energy and hope that the speed freewheeling doesnt drop off too much.

If you're using a bkool smart trainer (pro or classic), definitely better to soft pedal slowly and save your watts for the flats and especially climbs.

The best technique is probably to pedal hard at first, until the speed turns blue (indicating that you are free wheeling faster than you are pedalling), then just turn over the pedals slowly to keep the session active and get your breath back. If the speed starts to fall back then you can always get back on the power.

When you are travelling very fast, such as on a steep descent, wind drag increases exponentially and it takes a lot of power to increase speed even a little, it's really not worth wearing yourself out. Conversely, when climbing slowly, every extra watt gives a decent return, so save your effort on the down hills.

Geoff
 

bobinski

Legendary Member
Location
Tulse Hill
sorry about that, honestly didn't bail.New laptop ran out of juice. Note to self-don't believe battery run times.

absolutely spent. Could feel Bill bearing down on me all the time. Tried to keep him at bay but who am I kidding! :notworthy:
 

gbrown

Geoff on Bkool
Location
South Somerset
On a different note. I'm seeing people on here pushing 200-300w averages! Is that possible for me to do. I'm 5'10 and 54.5KG. My highest average so far is 140w over 23k. Are these numbers possible for me to achieve with training or is do heavier people push higher watts?

I've googled a bit but I can't seem to get my head around it for some reason..

No reason why not, but I expect your weight would climb a little, as you would have to put on more muscle to increase power and it doesn't sound like you have much fat to lose!

Many of us "oldies" on here quickly trained up to somewhere between 3 and 4 watts per Kg, some, like me, after a lifetime of little exercise. No reason why you shouldn't be able to do the same, so sustained averages over 200W should be well within your capability, health and fitness allowing.

This is assuming you are of the male persuasion, if not I would expect slightly less watts/kg, but still no reason why you should not get up there.

On flat'ish races I would expect you to have a harder time, as straight power is an advantage and weight less critical, but on courses like the mountain goat leagues your weight will be a positive advantage, and you will not need anywhere near as much power to keep up with most of us, who tend to be around 80Kg or more.

Last winter I went from struggling to average 200W over a 20 minute FTP test to managing just over 300W for the same 20 minute FTP test. We have all seen similar improvements in many chain gang and mount goat contestants from last winter to this.
Repeatedly sweating up the long Mountain Goat climbs as hard as I could seemed the quickest way to increase sustained power outputs ... :heat:

Just take care not to over do it, it be quite a strain on your body!

Geoff
 

Gert Lush

Senior Member
No reason why not, but I expect your weight would climb a little, as you would have to put on more muscle to increase power and it doesn't sound like you have much fat to lose!

Many of us "oldies" on here quickly trained up to somewhere between 3 and 4 watts per Kg, some, like me, after a lifetime of little exercise. No reason why you shouldn't be able to do the same, so sustained averages over 200W should be well within your capability, health and fitness allowing.

This is assuming you are of the male persuasion, if not I would expect slightly less watts/kg, but still no reason why you should not get up there.

On flat'ish races I would expect you to have a harder time, as straight power is an advantage and weight less critical, but on courses like the mountain goat leagues your weight will be a positive advantage, and you will not need anywhere near as much power to keep up with most of us, who tend to be around 80Kg or more.

Last winter I went from struggling to average 200W over a 20 minute FTP test to managing just over 300W for the same 20 minute FTP test. We have all seen similar improvements in many chain gang and mount goat contestants from last winter to this.
Repeatedly sweating up the long Mountain Goat climbs as hard as I could seemed the quickest way to increase sustained power outputs ... :heat:

Just take care not to over do it, it be quite a strain on your body!

Geoff

Thank you very much for this! Honestly, I feel I have improved just over the 3 sessions I've done since getting the trainer. So it's motivating to hear that I can get noticeable differences. I haven't had a go at the mountain moose/goats climbs yet because my scheduled sessions aren't showing up! But once I can fix that I'll be doing them as much as possible!

I don't know when the league starts again? I'm guessing next year but I'm gonna try and participate in all of them next time.

I'll see you in a bit, heading to the garage now!
 

BILL S

Guru
Location
London
Wow that was so hard. Bob, you seem to have jumped up in fitness lately.( :notworthy: back at you) I took forever to catch you then I think I got lucky on a slingshot manoeuvre which you didn't catch. I had hoped to wear you out but it didn't seem to be working. When you disappeared I thought it was your connection gone and you'd appear again, but I had other worries having to defend from LB not too far behind me. You seemed to come back again but I didn't know where you were. Then I got a message that you'd left the session again and that I was in 2nd place so I don't know what was going on there.
Great race and very tough though. Thanks for the comments from people watching :smile:.
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
The overall time seems to be calculated not from your speed but from what it has decided your power is. Bizarre as this seems. That is exactly how I noticed this. You are going along at 20 MPH and hit a small hill, feed in more power to keep your speed the same and your over all time goes down in chunks, then crest the hill and back off still keeping your speed at 20 and minutes are added back to the overall time. So time to the end has no relation to how fast you are going but to how hard you are trying!
What it seems to be saying is, if you keep the power at your current watts then this is how much time you have left. It seems to 'look forward' to the rest of the course, and extrapolate your current power to the hills, flats etc that is coming up.
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
How would you suggest the generosity of the watts going uphill & the flats - I've used a tacx Neo and speed was way out & a friend uses a tacx vector and his speed v power is way out when comparing data from the same rides ???

As mentioned before, the only way I see this going forward is chain gang rides are separated by trainer type, even the same trainers will behave differently.

In my opinion of course.
I suppose, in some ways, it depends what each person wants out of the sessions. I'm not looking to win (it's a good job really!!!!) but what I am looking at is how I am doing compared to my previous rides, and compared to others whose rides are of a similar speed/time. For me it's all about relatives - not the ones that turn up unexpected at Xmas and you haven't bought them a present, but the relative times compared to my previous rides. But that's just me :cheers:
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
I'm looking to make the indoor rides a bit more fun which to me looks like it will be near the back at a pace I like to ride looking at the scenery occasionally :okay:
No point going too fast ... you miss those nice vistas :rofl:

I managed to complete the latest Chain Gang ride this afternoon. No cramp this time, so definitely my lack of food and drink on Thursday. Slow ride ... but at least I did it ^_^
 

bobinski

Legendary Member
Location
Tulse Hill
Wow that was so hard. Bob, you seem to have jumped up in fitness lately.( :notworthy: back at you) I took forever to catch you then I think I got lucky on a slingshot manoeuvre which you didn't catch. I had hoped to wear you out but it didn't seem to be working. When you disappeared I thought it was your connection gone and you'd appear again, but I had other worries having to defend from LB not too far behind me. You seemed to come back again but I didn't know where you were. Then I got a message that you'd left the session again and that I was in 2nd place so I don't know what was going on there.
Great race and very tough though. Thanks for the comments from people watching :smile:.

It was frigging hard Bill. When I wasn't looking behind for you I was looking ahead and seeing that final lump knowing that without a minute on you when i reached it I would have no chance of keeping in front and I think I just pushed too hard. You are definitely stronger than me when the road goes up. You also have more stamina. That is a pretty potent combination. Mind you, didn't help that Rick wasn't around to help me draft either:thumbsdown::tongue:
Did you notice Randy teased us mid race with a message saying he was off to get a waffle?!?:evil:
Thanks all for the kind comments.
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