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Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
I was very aware of this and tried to take it into account with the handicaps, but it's very hard to allow for large over and under performance. I guess we have to accept that an early starter who has a good day will be uncatchable, trying to avoid this would leave too many people floundering st the back.

I was hoping that you and some of the other front runners would have the chance to keep with the elite riders for the final few klicks, perhaps we could tune handicaps more for this.

I'll have a play with the numbers...

Groff
I think it's us slower riders who are likely to have the most variance in our times. Having initially completed that ride in 48 mins, there was no way i could have predicted I was going to do it in 54 mins. Then ride 3, I'm down to 50.5 mins.

I think the best you can do Geoff is set the handicap based on past performance, then each of us have to be honest about our current fitness level and ask to adjust accordingly.
 

Whorty

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I was nearly finished trying to catch you, when I did I had a go a drafting to get my breath back but couldn't get the drafting too well. Thought we were slowing each other down trying to get the hang of it, so I had a burst off and felt good today!
Same here, was trying to draft but as i've never had the chance to do it before just couldn't get the hang of it. One I lost your wheel I had nothing left to chase you down again.
 

kipster

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Location
Hampshire
I didn't get to participate in the handicap race, Thursday I was unwell and yesterday I just missed it. I don't mind whatever day it is, although Saturday's are more difficult as that tends to be outside ride day, and Sunday is normally an outdoor ride with my son.

So any weekday will work for me generally. I'll go with whatever handicap that Geoff gives me, he is the spreadsheet master and I won't question his working out. As I start in the mid pack, I will have some to chase, while other chasing me, this is enough to make me work hard until I can put nothing else in. For me these will be brutal but untimately rides that make me a much stronger rider, so all good.
 

Soarerv8

Über Member
Same here, was trying to draft but as i've never had the chance to do it before just couldn't get the hang of it. One I lost your wheel I had nothing left to chase you down again.
Problem I have found with the concept of drafting is that because I am so sloth-like up hills that is where I get caught so no chance of keeping up with everyone else who seem to waft past. Then when I am on the flat I go about the same speed as most so don't catch or get caught there. I guess the answer is to man up and work on getting better at climbing hills (or drop significant amounts of weight).
 

Soarerv8

Über Member
I didn't get to participate in the handicap race, Thursday I was unwell and yesterday I just missed it. I don't mind whatever day it is, although Saturday's are more difficult as that tends to be outside ride day, and Sunday is normally an outdoor ride with my son.

So any weekday will work for me generally. I'll go with whatever handicap that Geoff gives me, he is the spreadsheet master and I won't question his working out. As I start in the mid pack, I will have some to chase, while other chasing me, this is enough to make me work hard until I can put nothing else in. For me these will be brutal but untimately rides that make me a much stronger rider, so all good.
Indeed, I have tried far far harder in the last 2 handicap events than I have for anything else I have done on Bkool (even though I thought I was going as fast as possible). Good to mix it up so everyone can enjoy.
 

gbrown

Geoff on Bkool
Location
South Somerset
Right, I think I've got the Handicaps tweaked one last time. This is how it works.

You get a handicap based on your previous times, which is used to generate a Start Time.

Like golf, the higher the Handicap the more assistance you get, so the earlier the Start Time.

Your Handicap is reduced slightly if you have only completed one chase, and reduced more if you have completed none (and your time is based on doing the stage outside the handicap format). Therefore you are rewarded for completing the handicap chase once, and rewarded more for a second one, as you time should more closely reflect your current potential.

Finally, the Handicap is also reduced slightly for those who are furthest behind the fastest time, as they have more chance of significantly improving their times. The front runners will always struggle to improve their times much, especially after a couple of runs, so they need the full Handicap to stay competitive.

This algorithm has developed across the two stages (and the previous Chain Gang ride) and closed the field from around 10 minutes to less than 5 minutes, and hopefully a future run would close it up again slightly.

It is always likely that the win will be taken by an early starter who improves significantly, which is probably a good thing as it improves motivation. It is also possible that any significant under performance on previous bests will result in trailing in at the back, for even the fastest riders. I don't think this can be helped. However, so long as the bulk of the entrants finish close together it should make for a more entertaining session for the majority, and make the format worthwhile.

Due to the competitive nature of the format, I don't think it would sustain weekly sessions, so a couple of times a month seems to make the most sense, perhaps trying a Tuesday night to see if it is well attended, as well as possibly hijacking one Thursday night (if Rick doesn't mind) and then possibly the re-run on a Saturday if that remains well enough attended.

Geoff
 
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gbrown

Geoff on Bkool
Location
South Somerset
Using the tweaked algorithm I have the following Handicaps for any future run of this session... ^_^

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