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AAAC 76C

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I'll be off the turbo for the next week or so because of a 24 hour race I'm doing in Scotland this weekend,

Had a look at the Puffer website myself and respect ot you Sir.
Was that you in about 13th in the Singles?

I see you had some famous company with Guy Martin being on the course.
That man will have a go at about anything on two wheels.

Good luck Sir as the weather don't look too good in the sunny south let alone in Scotland!
 

Whorty

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Location
Wiltshire
I learnt such a lesson over the last 2 days. I did a goat ride yesterday and just kept losing masses of time on the downhill bits. I gained on the ups but not nearly as much as I expected. I had to nearly kill myself to beat Whorty (sorry) on the final climb.
I think I can explain why I pulled away from you on the descents .... gravity and my [cough cough] 'muscular physique' carries me down the hills faster :tongue: Goat #1 was not great for me; didn't do well for some reason.

Good luck on the long Goat #2 ride - it's a monster :cry::eek::heat:
 

AAAC 76C

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On BKool I instantly increase the speed to an unrealistic level but after 30 seconds or so the speed has dropped to normal.

Was this all done in the same gear? if so what?
It's hard to make some direct comparisons otherwise but I will stick to my guns by saying that indicated speed on both should theoreticaly be pretty acurate.
Knowing that you guys with Pro Trainers do not appear to get a reliable cadence output its also hard to make any valid statements.
It does appear though that the BKool Firmware allows you to accelerate quicker and than peak before the resistance is properly set.
Does you power upload to Strava? as I know Strava can calculate power from Speed, Slope, Weight just like a turbo does.
 

LBHIFI

Veteran
Location
Liseleje
Was this all done in the same gear? if so what?
It's hard to make some direct comparisons otherwise but I will stick to my guns by saying that indicated speed on both should theoreticaly be pretty acurate.
Knowing that you guys with Pro Trainers do not appear to get a reliable cadence output its also hard to make any valid statements.
It does appear though that the BKool Firmware allows you to accelerate quicker and than peak before the resistance is properly set.
Does you power upload to Strava? as I know Strava can calculate power from Speed, Slope, Weight just like a turbo does.
The power/speed/cadence numbers comes from the trainers, but I don't think cadence is really relevant here. 400 watt is 400 watt. But as you say, the curves are yet an indication of what we already know now: that the BKool Pro's resistance kicks in late.
 

AAAC 76C

Large Member
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The power/speed/cadence numbers comes from the trainers, but I don't think cadence is really relevant here. 400 watt is 400 watt. But as you say, the curves are yet an indication of what we already know now: that the BKool Pro's resistance kicks in late.

Only that if it was done in the same gear throughout your cadence would be directly proportional to your speed and having that second graph to confirm the speed would just leave the watts in question.
However if we assume the speed is correct then you are right in that we should ignore the cadence.

What the Tacx Trainer is showing is pretty logical. The watts are required for accleration until the speed flat lines however with BKool the Firmware allows you to accelerate too freely and exceed the flat line speed.

We talked alot about the on/off style and your graphs seem to confirm the ability for BKool users to generate unusual speeds for a given effort but if you try to sustain that effort the resistance will increase (to what it should be) and pull your speed back down.
However if you deliberately drop your speed you avoid the onset of resistance and so save energy which you can then expend accelerating to a falsely acheived high speed again.

Result = higher average speed for a lower average watts (and probably much lower than actual).
The area under the power graph is your total effort so using the on/off method you can go faster for longer for less.

I am part guilty of this as well as I try and sustain a constant speed on descents and the levels but power into the climbs in order to try and keep my overall speed constant, dependant on the slope of course.
My up down up down exercise shows that if you power on before the climb you can also gain some additional but perhaps for the same reason.
 
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BILL S

Guru
Location
London
Bill, you will see me into an early grave. We have a very similar approach to training you and I, and are every bit as competitive as each other. The biggest difference being that you are further up the training curve than I think I will ever be. Your staying power is phenomenal. I had nothing but admiration for you after you tackled that DD, especially in those Hellish conditions. Your endeavours have been brought up on several boozy occasions since. I'm sure several of my friends think you are a character from Marvel's Avengers Assemble. It's nice to be back on here too, I did miss the piss taking banter that was so rife in this forum, and would ask you not to pull your punches now I am back....because I won't.

The piss taking banter will be back, now that you're back Add I have no doubt :smile:. I'm half expecting to get an email tonight saying " you have been beaten by Adski on "Sitka to north end of the road" by 1 second". :laugh: Even though I've been training hard for a while now I wouldn't be surprised if you don't catch up again within a ridiculously short time. You do realise that you've blown my image here as Sensible Administrator right out of the water, although by admitting to doing the Puffer I've kind of done that myself. Anyway, now that all hell's going to be breaking loose in this forum, don't worry, I won't be going easy on you either on or off track.:cycle: :tongue:
The bad news is that in your absence we seem to have picked up several pro riders and an elite (Goldwolfie, theboxers & Whorty) :laugh: , so we've all been knocked down the pecking order since last summer. It's all good though as it's just making us all quicker.
 
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BILL S

Guru
Location
London
Had a look at the Puffer website myself and respect ot you Sir.
Was that you in about 13th in the Singles?

I see you had some famous company with Guy Martin being on the course.
That man will have a go at about anything on two wheels.

Good luck Sir as the weather don't look too good in the sunny south let alone in Scotland!

Thanks AAAC. Yeah that was me about 13th last year. Guy Martin has raced it the past few years and is always laps ahead of me by the end. He must do some amount of training to be that fit, which I guess he does for his m/cycle racing. If we both keep going, I will beat him one day. Pity he doesn't seem to be on bkool.
 

AAAC 76C

Large Member
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Thanks AAAC. Yeah that was me about 13th last year. Guy Martin has raced it the past few years and is always laps ahead of me by the end. He must do some amount of training to be that fit, which I guess he does for his m/cycle racing. If we both keep going, I will beat him one day. Pity he doesn't seem to be on bkool.

If he was he would probably try and break some stupid record on it that in some way is dangerous like this one:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT0eJXtrwHg

or this

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Ygh0YyREA

or if you have a real need for speed watch this:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNXCJt7K3Q
 
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