Team BKool CycleChat

[Perky77]

Sorry Perky, it was snaffled up off here by one of our 'esteemed' members. Maybe if i'm a good boy i'll get another. You can also buy it on a monthly basis for$12 and cancel when you finish a course/workout group.

Thanks Andy, serves me right for being ill
Is trainer road helping you now that you have used it for a while?

 

[CXRAndy]

Thanks Andy, serves me right for being ill
Is trainer road helping you now that you have used it for a while?

I would like to think so. Virtually all the workouts up to press have been below threshold. I have been working on cadence and cycling technique. I do find I have something left at the end of chaingangs. I have a few more base weeks then onto build phase. I will then do another FTP. If it goes up, I'll redo the base phase at the higher training level.

 

[Whorty]

His man servant!

Well pop your "man servant " on the table, let's take a look!

 

[gbrown]

Who's up for the Handicap tonight?

Don't think we have enough for a Team TT, but I was wondering if it was possible!

Geoff

 

[Soarerv8]

Who's up for the Handicap tonight?

Don't think we have enough for a Team TT, but I was wondering if it was possible!

Geoff

I will be there (although I suspect that isn't selling the idea of team to anyone)

 

[Soarerv8]

Well pop your "man servant " on the table, let's take a look!

Not falling for that again, been banned from every Little Chef in the country after the last time I did it.

 

[Daddy Pig]

Who's up for the Handicap tonight?

Don't think we have enough for a Team TT, but I was wondering if it was possible!

Geoff

I'm in but just finished an 80km ride so cant give it any hammer...

 

[bridgy]

I will hopefully be there Geoff

 

[Daddy Pig]

DP, have a play with this, it only goes up to 500 watts which would normally be fine for mortals.
http://bikecalculator.com/
Based on the info in this calculator I think BKool is very optimistic in the velodrome.
And based on papers like this I think we are getting granted too much power:
Racing cyclist power requirements in the 4000-m individual and team pursuits.
Broker JP1, Kyle CR, Burke ER.
Author information

• 1USOC Sport Science & Technology Division, and University of Colorado at Colorado Springs, USA.

Abstract
PURPOSE:
The purpose of this paper is: 1) to present field test data describing the power requirements of internationally competitive individual and team pursuiters, and 2) to develop a theoretical model for pursuit power based upon on these tests.

METHODS:
In preparing U.S. cycling's pursuit team for the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, U.S. team scientists measured cycling power of seven subjects on the Atlanta track using a crank dynamometer (SRM) at speeds from 57 to 60 kph. By using these field data and other tests, mathematical models were devised which predict both individual and team pursuit performance. The field data indicate the power within a pace line at 60 kph averages 607 W in lead position (100%), 430 W in second position (70.8%), 389 W in third position (64.1%), and 389 W in fourth position (64.0%). A team member requires about 75% of the energy necessary for cyclists riding alone at the same speed. These results compare well with field measurements from a British pursuit team, to recent wind tunnel tests, and to earlier bicycle coast down tests.

RESULTS:
The theoretical models predict performance with reasonable accuracy when the average power potential of an individual or team is known, or they may be used to estimate the power of pursuit competitors knowing race times. The model estimates that Christopher Boardman averaged about 520 W when setting his 1996, 4000-m individual pursuit record of 4 min 11.114 s and the Italian 4000-m pursuit team averaged about 480 W in setting their record of 4:00.958. Both used the "Superman" cycling position.

Just had another look at the website and I reckon that the bkool algorithm has it that riders are always in an aero position, which whis why we are going much faster than we could believe possible.

 

[bobinski]

Who's up for the Handicap tonight?

Don't think we have enough for a Team TT, but I was wondering if it was possible!

Geoff

Work commitments may keep me away but will try and be there.

Geoff, all this discussion about how the really strong guys can ride through bkool's foibles suggests to me they should be further handicapped! What do you say? I say it will serve them right for being so strong
(and that includes bill and Andy)

 

[CXRAndy]

Work commitments may keep me away but will try and be there.

Geoff, all this discussion about how the really strong guys can ride through bkool's foibles suggests to me they should be further handicapped! What do you say? I say it will serve them right for being so strong
(and that includes bill and Andy+Tommy)

PS Where is Tommy?

 

[BILL S]

I'll be there Geoff. I usually apply an additional handicap to myself by setting a time drafting right on the tail of one of the above mentioned really strong guys. Anyway, once we've seen the actual handicaps I'm sure I can make an agreement with Bob that when he's caught up with me, we can do some drafting together before he gets fed up at my speed and powers back up to catch up the next guy.

 

[bobinski]

ANDY!!

"Work commitments may keep me away but will try and be there.

Geoff, all this discussion about how the really strong guys can ride through bkool's foibles suggests to me they should be further handicapped! What do you say? I say it will serve them right for being so strong
(and that includes bill and Andy+Tommy)


PS Where is Tommy?"

Bloody revisonists!

 

[Soarerv8]

Work commitments may keep me away but will try and be there.

Geoff, all this discussion about how the really strong guys can ride through bkool's foibles suggests to me they should be further handicapped! What do you say? I say it will serve them right for being so strong
(and that includes bill and Andy)

Here here, only seems fair, being as @bobinski forwarded this motion and I seconded it we didn't hear any dissent so I think we can consider it passed.

 

[bobinski]

Here here, only seems fair, being as @bobinski forwarded this motion and I seconded it we didn't hear any dissent so I think we can consider it passed.

Agreed. Bill the Mod saw it and seemed happy, indeed even inclined to enter into some form of banter and that is good enough for me