The ACTUAL cost of a car

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Bromptonaut

Rohan Man
Location
Bugbrooke UK
Like Brains I've found breakdown cover thoroughly worthwhile. Just in last two years:

Xantia - (1) Mahousive hydraulic leak (2) Positive battery lead burned out. In both cases a local tow to garage
Berlingo - (1) Clutch failure on A5, recovery from Shrewsbury to home then to garage (2) Dead key outside daughter's Uni accom. Jump started by rescue service but died again after half a mile. Loose electrical connection not fixable at roadside or agent's workshop; recovered home from Sheffield and to garage following day.

The two incidents with Berlingo are its only failures in 8yrs and 135k miles. The Xantia is another story.....
 
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Matthew_T

"Young and Ex-whippet"
I am looking at going down the motorbike/moped route now.

I was thinking about a 125 (after getting the relevant CBT). The only reason I would get that over a 50cc is that I would be able to go further for longer and faster (plus its close to a bicycle than a 50cc.
So does anyone know the exact route I would have to go down in order to get one (I mean training wise).
Insurance would be a lot cheaper as well as repairs, and I would be able to use it in winter when its too windy to cycle.
 

cd365

Guru
Location
Coventry, uk
My daughter passed her driving test at the start of June, I had bought her a Clio for £500 for her 17th Birthday last November, when I bought it it had 80,000 miles on the clock so asked when the timing belt was done, I got a very blank look from the woman so had factored in £200+ to get it fixed (the car was stupidly cheap and worth more like £800 to £900). I had it MOT'd and got the timing belt done, plus it needed a new alternator so spent another £400, if I sold it now I would still get £800 or so for it.

Her insurance works out at about £800 for the year, my wife and I are on the policy and it is discounted anyway because it is an Admiral multi-car policy.

The car has been fine and we have not spent another penny on it. She uses it to travel to work locally but she also works events and has used it to get to them, so it has probably paid for itself.

The biggest benefit is that I hardly see her now!

Getting a car doesn't have to be a drain and will give you a a new level of freedom.

When I got my first car I stopped cycling for 20 years!
 

MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
It is never to windy too cycle.

I don't know, I nearly turned back early today, only the thought of the thrilling wind assisted return kept me going. ^_^

Matthew:- https://www.gov.uk/rules-motorcyclists-83-to-88/motorcycle-licence-requirements

Again...I would get a vintage Vespa and for £2k you can get a decent one, it will not lose value and parts are very cheap and always available.........forever. Not interested? Then I'd buy an LML new ish geared scooter, 4 stroke, you will get 150mpg with classic looks. Not interested? Then an auto Vespa ET4 is a good modern scooter.

I would not get a 125cc motorbike over a 125 scooter, they look pitiful and are not as much fun around town, which is their natural habitat anyway.
 

sabian92

Über Member
I am looking at going down the motorbike/moped route now.

I was thinking about a 125 (after getting the relevant CBT). The only reason I would get that over a 50cc is that I would be able to go further for longer and faster (plus its close to a bicycle than a 50cc.
So does anyone know the exact route I would have to go down in order to get one (I mean training wise).
Insurance would be a lot cheaper as well as repairs, and I would be able to use it in winter when its too windy to cycle.

Do your CBT (you need a provisional obviously) then get a bike. You can sit your CBT on a scooter OR a 125cc geared bike - the CBT is valid for both however if you pick an auto scooter... you won't know how to use a clutch or change gears so worth doing it on the geared bike. Honestly... the only reason people get 50cc scooters is because they legally can't have a 125. They're dangerous, slow, annoying as hell because they're 2 stroke and generally not safe to be on. You can't ride them on a motorway but you can ride them on a dual carriageway. Makes sense? Of course not. :laugh: Seriously though, people do get killed riding them because they're *that* slow.

Get a helmet, jacket, gloves, boots and pants (and yes, you NEED them, coming off at 60mph will shred you like belt sandering your skin. Apparently for every mph over 30 you crash as, you lose 1mm of flesh. 60mph... yeah. You're down to the bone.).

If you want to take your tests then you need to be 17 to sit your A1 licence (up to 125cc but no Ls and you can carry a pillion and ride on motorways. I'd avoid motorways on a 125 anyway as they're just not quick enough).

After 2 years you can sit your A2. This allows you to ride up to 47HP bikes (or 93 if you restrict them but they cannot legally be more than double the restriction). If you have an A1 licence already, then you just need to sit a practical test. If you go straight in without it (i.e. on a CBT at 19) then you need to sit a theory test as well.

After another 2 years you can do your unrestricted A licence which lets you ride anything you can afford to insure basically. You need 2 years on an A2 licence to sit this, otherwise you have to be over 24. Again, if you're already on an A2, then just a practical test, but if you're 24 and doing it via direct access (the scheme that allows you to go from nothing to big bikes without anything in between) then you need a theory test pass as well.

125 bikes are still a bit wobbly in high winds and you do need your wits about you riding in sidewinds particularly. They weigh so little (around 120kg) that a stiff breeze is noticeable.

Oh, one more thing: You never, ever have to pass a motorbike test. If you wanted to you can just keep resitting the CBT but you're stuck on 125 bikes forever.
 
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Matthew_T

"Young and Ex-whippet"
Oh, one more thing: You never, ever have to pass a motorbike test. If you wanted to you can just keep resitting the CBT but you're stuck on 125 bikes forever.
I dont intend on doing the full Monty with regards to motorbikes. I will probably just stop when I have a 125. There is no need for anything more because I already have a full driving license. The motorbike is just to keep me mobile when I need to go places which I cant on my bike.
In summer the bike probably wont be used much (saves on fuel I suppose). Tonight I am going to do a few insurance checks on bikes on ebay.

Do you have an idea as to how much a CBT would cost? (I imagine about the same as a driving test).
 

Night Train

Maker of Things
Get a helmet, jacket, gloves, boots and pants (and yes, you NEED them, coming off at 60mph will shred you like belt sandering your skin. Apparently for every mph over 30 you crash as, you lose 1mm of flesh. 60mph... yeah. You're down to the bone.).
And get the very best protective stuff you can afford. Don't skimp on it as it isn't worth it. Also get a full face helmet as it offers much better protection. I spent over £1000 on protective gear when I had a bike 12 years ago, though that did include two helmets and wet weather gear.

Also don't forget a decent lock and chain. And get someone who knows a lot about bikes, and is sensible, to assess your first bike to make sure it is actually safe to use. My first bike wasn't, and that was new from a dealer.

Will this will now lead into a thread about the ACTUAL cost of motorbiking? :laugh:
 
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Matthew_T

"Young and Ex-whippet"
Found this little gem: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-KEEW...3043101?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2c721cad9d
Insurance comes out at about £550. Well within my budget.

I am not buying it now as I dont want to jump the gun, plus I am just viewing the market.

In terms of insurance, there are a lot of licenses out there. So after doing my CBT, will I have a provisional motorbike license or just a full moped one?
 
The cost of a CBT will vary by area and depending on whether you have your own wheels or rent them. There are other costs to motorcycling that you will not face with a small cheap car (Ford Ka etc): Helmet, gloves, boots, waterproofs, leathers (or similar).

You are also limited to one passenger (if you pass your test) or no passengers.

If you are going to get a motorcycle of any kind, it is worth taking any tests you can rather than stopping with CBT. The more you know, the better you are able to avoid unpleasantness, injury and death. And the better you will be able to learn how to ride.

Even a modestly powered 125cc motorcycle will beat most family cars away from the lights. 12 bhp sounds little compared to the 150-ish bhp (or more) of a family car, but it all goes through a tiny contact patch. Big fun in the wet. Are you sure you want a motorcycle?

Why not just ask to be put on your parents' car insurance as a named driver? Our elder kids are on our 'second' car. They rarely use it, but it is useful for those odd occasions. You'll stay dry, you'll know the car is in good condition and you'll build up a little experience without the expense and hassle of car ownership.

You've gone from car to motorcycle within a couple of pages of advice on a bicycle forum.... Plenty of time and plenty of scope for much deep thinking.

Also... the scooter you are looking at is overseas, not UK-registered, has had some biggish engine work and is being sold by a scouser.... Do your other hobbies include minefield tap-dancing or speed skating on the rooves of sky-scrapers? If so, then go ahead and bid.
 
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Matthew_T

"Young and Ex-whippet"
Why not just ask to be put on your parents' car insurance as a named driver? Our elder kids are on our 'second' car. They rarely use it, but it is useful for those odd occasions. You'll stay dry, you'll know the car is in good condition and you'll build up a little experience without the expense and hassle of car ownership.

You've gone from car to motorcycle within a couple of pages of advice on a bicycle forum.... Plenty of time and plenty of scope for much deep thinking.
Its not possible to use my parents' car. It would be my mums but I need it in the week (she works) for college. College and work are the two main biggies, plus I might get another job which might involve more travel. Travel which I wouldnt be comfortable doing on a bicycle (I already hate cycling in winter to college. The weather around here is awful).
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
Honestly... the only reason people get 50cc scooters is because they legally can't have a 125. They're dangerous, slow, annoying as hell because they're 2 stroke and generally not safe to be on. (...) Seriously though, people do get killed riding them because they're *that* slow.

There's a lot of opinion unsupported by facts.

I've been riding motorbikes of all capacities from 50cc up to 1200cc over the past 38 years. Small capacity machines are perfectly safe. It's their riders who make them dangerous. The same applies to larger motorbikes. There's nothing wrong with two stroke engines. They perform as well, if not better than, four strokes at the smaller capacities the only faff is having to remember to add two stroke oil at regular intervals.
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
Found this little gem: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2008-KEEW...3043101?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2c721cad9d
Insurance comes out at about £550. Well within my budget.

I am not buying it now as I dont want to jump the gun, plus I am just viewing the market.

In terms of insurance, there are a lot of licenses out there. So after doing my CBT, will I have a provisional motorbike license or just a full moped one?

A CBT only entitles you to ride on the road with L plates. You need to take a test within two years of passing the CBT if you want a full motorcycle license. You cannot ride a motorbike, moped or scooter on the road without first passing the CBT.

As for the scooter that you've identified on Ebay. It's far from a gem. It's been dropped/scratched and had the top end of the engine rebuilt in less than 12,000 miles - not exactly good selling points.
 

skudupnorth

Cycling Skoda lover
If you are going for cheap cars have you thought about Skoda Felicia's ? As long as you get one with a good body you will find them very reliable as long as they have been looked after and they are easy to repair and not to giddy on parts prices.I know a lot of people who will shy away from them but having owned many Skoda's (all with Skoda 1.3 engines) i can safely say they have been the best, most reliable and practical cars i have ever owned.
At the end of the day it all depends on how the previous owners have cared for the car no matter what breed it is.
 
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