The Clinic

[Dogtrousers]

A thread for theories and speculation based on circumstantial or unreliable evidence, about who might or might not be doping.

Any actual facts on test results or cases should go in here: https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/doping-git-thread.164771/

 

[No Ta Doctor]

*Ignores thread*

 

[ColinJ]

Is it actually legal to speculate in public about whether individuals have broken the law?

 

[matticus]

There's some crazy quick riders since Covid - surely it's not all down to nutrition.

Hmmm? Hmmm?!?

 

[Lanterne Rogue]

Is it actually legal to speculate in public about whether individuals have broken the law?

Sure. Libel is a civil tort, not a criminal act.

The ratio of effing around / finding out however is not one I personally wish to explore.

 

[Dogtrousers]

Is it actually legal to speculate in public about whether individuals have broken the law?

I reckon that @ColinJ is a wrong un. I'm not sure what he's done or how he did it but it was probably very illegal, whatever it was.

... Waits for letter.

 

[ColinJ]

I reckon that @ColinJ is a wrong un. I'm not sure what he's done or how he did it but it was probably very illegal, whatever it was.

... Waits for letter.

I'll let you off this time, but do it again and you'll be getting a knock at the door by someone delivering a pizza that you didn't order...

 

[orraloon]

Or one could wander down the conspiracy rabbit hole of the Cyclingnews The Clinic forum?

https://forum.cyclingnews.com/forums/the-clinic.20/#

 

[Dogtrousers]

You gotta wonder what's he on??
That's got Lance Armstrong written all over it?!
Or perhaps he's just physiological better than everyone else in the peleton?!

Like a Bolt or Mo Farah?

I think it's fair enough to wonder and be sceptical. If for no other reasons than that the history of the sport tells us to, and because UAEs boss is Mauro Gianetti who is an old school bad guy - a doper himself and manager of dopers.

It's not impossible that it's all down to physiology, data, training, legitimate sports science, equipment and lots and lots of money.

But equally he could be on an untestable secret wonder drug that no one else knows about or using an undetectable motor, or in cahoots with the UCI who don't look for his motor/test for his drug. It's all pretty tin-foil hat stuff, but not impossible or entirely without precedent. But in the absence of any evidence there's nothing really to talk about.

But it's perfectly ok to wonder.

 

[matticus]

(glad you diverted this over here)

Pogacar was so fast yesterday on the Hautacam, he was barely 30secs slower than Bjarne Riis in 1996.

 

[orraloon]

Oh come on, things have moved on from the days of I fancy being, I have some mates who know people... to a time of detailed body performance numbers as recorded through tech. Take Jay Vine as an example: big Zwift numbers = pro team contract. And that was 5 years ago,

 

[phreak]

I think it's fair enough to wonder and be sceptical. If for no other reasons than that the history of the sport tells us to, and because UAEs boss is Mauro Gianetti who is an old school bad guy - a doper himself and manager of dopers.

It's not impossible that it's all down to physiology, data, training, legitimate sports science, equipment and lots and lots of money.

But equally he could be on an untestable secret wonder drug that no one else knows about or using an undetectable motor, or in cahoots with the UCI who don't look for his motor/test for his drug. It's all pretty tin-foil hat stuff, but not impossible or entirely without precedent. But in the absence of any evidence there's nothing really to talk about.

But it's perfectly ok to wonder.

Kimmage is kinda the only person asking any questions at all. As you say, there hasn't really been a clean era in the whole of professional cycling's history, yet now, when they're knocking lumps off of time records and doing incredible things on a daily basis, we have to just believe that nothing fishy is going on. This is especially so as very few of the cases from the 90s/00s involved a failed test. Far more involved criminal investigations and whistleblowing. The idea that because few of the pros today fail tests we must all be fine seems a bit naive given the history of the sport.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/ot...doctor-at-the-tour-de-france/a1278964315.html

 

[CarbonClem]

Kimmage still wringing the last drops out of nothing. ‘Just asking the questions etc’

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Is it actually legal to speculate in public about whether individuals have broken the law?

Soomething you want to confess in your Cragg Vale attempts ?

 

[N0bodyOfTheGoat]

Member of Ineos staff team (David Rozman) left Tour today, relating to 2012 goings on.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/articles/c14e4jep04lo