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Dave7

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Moyes is doing something very right isn't he? He's really shaped that team into fine working order. I feel that he's worked largely with the players he's got too, rather than try to assemble a team to play in a predetermined way.

I'm neither a fan nor do I have an axe to grind, just voicing a genuine respect where I think it's due.
I agree.
Man U should have given him a real chance imo.
 
Moyes is doing something very right isn't he? He's really shaped that team into fine working order. I feel that he's worked largely with the players he's got too, rather than try to assemble a team to play in a predetermined way.

I'm neither a fan nor do I have an axe to grind, just voicing a genuine respect where I think it's due.
Moyes has been given time(Second time around!)and he’s got this team gelling together, basically with the same team who were down the bottom two seasons ago.
 

Vapin' Joe

Formerly known as Smokin Joe
I agree.
Man U should have given him a real chance imo.
I don't particularly agree with that. Certain managers are good for a certain type of club and Moyes is a great fit for clubs like Everton or West Ham, decent sides who do not have the great expectations of the giants of the game. He is at his best when he can quietly get on with things without the constant scrutiny where every performance is analysed to death and comparisons are made to the clubs previous successes. I think he was probably overwhelmed by the task at Manchester United and out of his depth dealing with superstar egos..

Given the right job he is an excellent manager and himself and West Ham were made for each other, he has transformed the club from an attractive soft touch into one with some real gravitas, something I've never seen from a West Ham side in nearly sixty years of supporting them.

Brian Clough was similar, performed miracles with low the expectation clubs pf Derby and Notts Forest, but bombed royally at Leeds United when he took over from Revie.
 

swee'pea99

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D'you know, all these years I've been watching the game and I never knew forearm smashes were ok. You learn something new every day.

In other news, is it just me or were there more stunning goals scored this weekend than in the average month? Several games featured at least a brace that would be goal of the month contenders.
 

Dave7

Legendary Member
Location
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D'you know, all these years I've been watching the game and I never knew forearm smashes were ok. You learn something new every day.

In other news, is it just me or were there more stunning goals scored this weekend than in the average month? Several games featured at least a brace that would be goal of the month contenders.
I watched that forearm smash live and immediately said "forearm smash......has to be a straight red".......how did he get away with that :wacko:
 

VelvetUnderpants

Über Member
I was at the Villa vs West Ham game and if I am honest, The Hammers totally outclassed us. I said before the match we would be hard pressed to beat them considering our run of poor performances, and sadly I was proven correct. Hause should have been sent off it was a clear red card, we were lucky not to be down to nine men.

I respect the fact that Smith got us back into the Prem and helped rebuild the team, but I think he is coming to the end of his tenure. He doesn't know who his first team is, and tactically he is lacking at times. There are signs of discontent within the team, Buendia stormed off down the tunnel when he was substituted and Sansom kicked a water bottle out of frustration at the Arsenal game for not getting a chance to play.

All in all it's not looking good for Deano, we play Southampton on Friday and if we lose I would not be surprised if he is given his marching orders.
 
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I was at the Villa vs West Ham game and if I am honest, The Hammers totally outclassed us. I said before the match we would be hard pressed to beat them considering our run of poor performances, and sadly I was proven correct. Hause should have been sent off it was a clear red card, we were lucky not to be down to nine men.

I respect the fact that Smith got us back into the Prem and helped rebuild the team, but I think he is coming to the end of his tenure. He doesn't know who his first team is, and tactically he is lacking at times. There are signs of discontent within the team, Buendia stormed off down the tunnel when he was substituted and Sansom kicked a water bottle out of frustration at the Arsenal game for not getting a chance to play.

All in all it's not looking good for Deano, we play Southampton on Friday and if we lose I would not be surprised if he is given his marching orders.
I thought the scoreline flattered us. Villa gave it a real go after they went down to ten men and Watkins was unlucky with his header which Fabianski done well to tip it on the bar.
At the end though having one man less showed as we caught Villa on the break for the two late goals.
I don't think there's any chance of Villa going down,there too good for that but they really miss Grealish.
My view on the sending off is the same as everybody else.Hause was a red card and konsa's a yellow.Who ever was the official yesterday in charge of VAR has got it so wrong.
 

T4tomo

Legendary Member
Brian Clough was similar, performed miracles with low the expectation clubs pf Derby and Notts Forest, but bombed royally at Leeds United when he took over from Revie.
He hardly bombed, he was only there 6 games and whilst they had only won one game, he was mainly sacked as he'd clashed with virtually all of the so called "star" players, most of whom were past it or in decline when he took over from Revie a fact borne out by their relegation a few years after. He didn't do too badly at Forest afterwards and he retired after 18 years there. Arguably he never had a proper shot at managing a big/top/rich club with high expecations.
 

Vapin' Joe

Formerly known as Smokin Joe
He hardly bombed, he was only there 6 games and whilst they had only won one game, he was mainly sacked as he'd clashed with virtually all of the so called "star" players, most of whom were past it or in decline when he took over from Revie a fact borne out by their relegation a few years after. He didn't do too badly at Forest afterwards and he retired after 18 years there. Arguably he never had a proper shot at managing a big/top/rich club with high expecations.

That was kinda my point. He could bully and frighten ordinary players but he did not know how to handle experienced, top quality players who had done it all and knew their worth. I doubt he would have been a success as England manager for the same reasons, but he would have been great at outfits like Leyton Orient or Hull City and taken them further than they'd previously dreamed of.

Managing superstars is about managing egos, they already know how to play.
 
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