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So Arsenal are allowed to hold down players (at every coner), hug them and drive them into the goal, but as soon as not even half an arm partially obstucts their keeper, the goal gets ruled out. There were at least 4 fouls by Arsenal palyers at that corner, all penalty offences.
What a complete joke football is.
Just back from the game.I thought we did enough today to get a least a point.
I thought the referee was terrible today.As usual we see all the big clubs get the decisions.
It was a foul on Raya but there were also Arsenal players fouling as well.
At least in the Championship I'll be able to celebrate a goal without VAR spoiling it.
Cmon you irons ⚒️⚒️
 

Mike_P

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Now mathematically certain thats its either West Ham or Spurs for the drop from the Premiership.
 

Stephenite

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Poetic justice! Rochdale beat the team that finished 16 points behind them, to win promotion back to the Football League!😉👍

Boreham Wood vs Rochdale LIVE: National League promotion final stats & head-to-head - BBC Sport https://share.google/8Eva3IjvN2K5VvlP2

Yes. Nail biting stuff. I got to listen to live commentary from the second half onwards through my brothers phone as he’d accidentally left it connected to a call we’d had at halftime 😅
 

Dave7

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Just back from the game.I thought we did enough today to get a least a point.
I thought the referee was terrible today.As usual we see all the big clubs get the decisions.
It was a foul on Raya but there were also Arsenal players fouling as well.
At least in the Championship I'll be able to celebrate a goal without VAR spoiling it.
Cmon you irons ⚒️⚒️

I watched the game.
As you say, there were lots of fouls going on and imo the goal should have stood.
If all refs act like that 90% of goals will be disallowed.
 

Pblakeney

Über Member
I watched the game.
As you say, there were lots of fouls going on and imo the goal should have stood.
If all refs act like that 90% of goals will be disallowed.

Play should be stopped so I suppose 90% of goals should be disallowed.
The wrestling is getting out of control and needs to be addressed. The rules exist so a pre match lecture followed by a few Yellow cards early on in the game and it would be sorted. Loads sent off? If that’s what is required for them to learn.
PS I have no affiliation to any particular team and it should be applied equally to defenders as well as forwards.
 

Dorset Boy

Senior Member
As a neutral, that definitely had to be ruled out. yes there was a lot of pushing and holding (Rice for instance) but the didn't effect the action / outcome. That hand across Raya's chest / neck and obstructing his arm trying to catch the ball most definitely did.

There was one of the West Ham players (#35?) clearly being held down who would have been a factor in competing for the ball - that was before the foul on Raya.
Given the number of blatant fouls going on, either let it be a free for all and live and die by the sword, or start penalising fouls like the one I mention above and the blatant foul by Rice. Both were penalty offences, both should be yellow cards. Both were clear as day.
There is far, far too much protection given to keepers who have a massive advantage already in being able to use their hands.

I know other sides do it too, but Arsenal have really perfected these fouls when defending corners. Fair play to them as they are playing to the officials, but it really is now beyond a joke that they are seemingly never penalised. you can't ignore some blatant offences, yet pick up on others.
 

wakemalcolm

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As a fan of a recently returned premier league club I'm finding the whole end of season to be a bit rubbish. The Championship have managed to complete a 46 game season whilst the elite have barely managed 35.

3pm on Saturday, which is when league football should be played, can be barron at the best of times for the Premier league but now there's not the background of fixtures up and down the country it's all a bit moribund (not sure I'll get away with pi$h here)

Don't get me started on the FA cup final being played during the league season.

Off to find some old jumpers.
 

Pblakeney

Über Member
3pm on Saturday, which is when league football should be played, can be barron at the best of times for the Premier league but now there's not the background of fixtures up and down the country it's all a bit moribund (not sure I'll get away with pi$h here)
The Saturday 3:00pm slot is now for the "lesser" games.
As a newly promoted team there is a good chance of lots 3:00pm games for you next season. ;)
 

wakemalcolm

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Ratho
The Saturday 3:00pm slot is now for the "lesser" games.
As a newly promoted team there is a good chance of lots 3:00pm games for you next season. ;)

There's still an outside chance of a recurring Thursday commitment 😉.

It'll be interesting to see if there's a preference for the traditional 3pm kick off when the ban on televised games at that time eventually goes.
 

No Ta Doctor

Über Member
Arsenal have so far played 60 games this season.

And most of our players have had 5 or 10 international games on top of that.

On the subject of the disallowed goal, it was an absolute clear foul (or two) on Raya. While goalies have been less protected the last few seasons you'll not find many instances of people holding their arms not going punished. You can make contact, you can get in the way, but you cant hold onto their arms or pull them down while they're jumping.

Yes, there's a lot of wrestling at corners, it's all over the league, and no, I don't like it. Referees have tended to let it go as "six of one half a dozen of the other". There's an incredible level of outrage when Arsenal do it that isn't present when other clubs do the same though. In fact as well as the "fouls" by Arsenal players that weren't called on that particular corner, Kai Havertz was also wrestled to the ground, which was pretty much the first action that could have been called a foul, but people seem to be fairly quiet about that one. I don't think anybody but Arsenal fans thought Haaland's goal against us should have been a free kick to us either - after all, Gabriel and Haaland had been going hammer and tongs at each other all game. Haaland did heave Gabriel back by his short though, and was still holding it when he shot - actions which would have definitely have been a penalty if they'd been reversed.

But there's more history to it than just this match or just this season. Several seasons ago, with Ramsdale in goal there were a couple of instances where Ramsdale was held and the ref allowed the opposition goal. Obviously we complained, but you know - same old Arsenal, always moaning. Man up, Ramsdale needs to be stronger in those situations. Some time later there was also the infamous Newcastle goal against us that was ball out of play, player offside, foul on Gabriel and handball - none of which were given. Again, we were told Gabriel needed to be stronger there, despite clear evidence he was shoved in the back with two hands. The arms were apparently in a natural position for pushing him though, so the handball wasn't given...

As a results of some of these decisions we went to the PGMOL and asked what their rulings were, help us understand them. Since then we've played to what they told us, like it or not. At one point we did interfere directly with keepers, and Ben White got a reputation for it. Certainly one goal for us was chalked off for him having a hand on the goalkeeper. That summer they changed the rules because Arsenal, as ever, were destroying the beautiful game.

But as they toughened up the rules re keepers, we changed our play as well. We don't actually crowd the keeper straight off at the corner - we run in like an American football blitz move. We will enter positions that block defenders and the goalkeeper, but we're not going in to foul the keepers. For teams that have spent decades defending zonally, this is a nightmare - they've had to change to man marking, and wrestling. We put the ball just under the crossbar far post, and try and - legally - get players on it. They've a right to challenge for it and a right to be where they are on the pitch. If that blocks keepers then tough.

We are playing the system here, having asked directly how the refs are judging these situations, but in no way de we invent holding on to players or blocking goalkeepers or wrestling. And having seen how effective it can be, everyone else is doing variations of it - if they've got a few 6'2" players to put in the box. We've had literally decades of being told we needed to toughen up, now we've done that everybody hates it.
 
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