The Helmet Debate

[Nantmor]

Being the public, the fear would be scared by anyone.

I'm sorry, I don't understand this.

 

[Theseus]

Being the public, the fear would be scared by anyone.

I'm sorry, I don't understand this.

I think it is student speak, but like you I have no idea what it means. It has been a while since my degree

 

[ufkacbln]

I don't accept anything they say whatever the benefits might be. Their work is just too suspect to trust.

Exactly, but..... as it is used by so many to justify helmet use, it is fun when people try to justify one and dispute the validity of the other when they are the same authors!

 

[ufkacbln]

Anyway, has anyone seen a helmet with strawberries on it? Now that would be a helmet worth having!

Which brings us to helmet designs and ventilation. You need enough solid helmet to retain the soil, but sufficient vents for the strawberries to grow.

 

[doog]

Before you worry about whether to wear a helmet or not I would worry first about keeping your eyes open when cycling and/or your observational powers. There is no way you toured all that distance in Spain and France and only encountered one unhelmeted cyclist.

where have you toured mate ? I was also amazed at the amount of high viz on show. I will put my route up at some point, mainly rural. Really came away with the impression of how responsible the French are both in their cycling gear and driving habits towards cyclists.

Certainly didnt come away with the impression that they were anti helmet, the complete opposite to be honest

 

[Red Light]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/aug/11/healthandwellbeing.transport

 

[ComedyPilot]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/aug/11/healthandwellbeing.transport

I found it a bit biased pro-helmet?

Shouldn't journo's be neutered neutral?

 

[Red Light]

I found it a bit biased pro-helmet?

Shouldn't journo's be neutered neutral?

It was but it was mainly to counter Doog's view that he only saw one Frenchman without a helmet in his entire tour there (and explain by he saw a lot of hi-viz)

 

[ComedyPilot]

It was but it was mainly to counter Doog's view that he only saw one Frenchman without a helmet in his entire tour there (and explain by he saw a lot of hi-viz)

I appreciate that, but as a stand-alone piece of vomit journalism, it seemed one-sided from the off. The author instantly was questioning people's decision not to wear, but never really pushed forward the non-wearing side.

Also, no-one seems to be questioning why the most vulnerable of road users need to dress up like Bob the Builder, yet the people who actually do all the harm are never brought to book and shamed about their actions?

In a 'health & safety' environment PPE is usually the last thing implemented, yet strangely it is the first thing implemented with cycling?

Take a fork lift incident on a building site; operator training, vehicle type and suitability, site layout, load weight, size and position, and forklift movement would all be looked at before someone decides that a yellow jacket and a plastic hat might help reduce injury.

 

[ComedyPilot]

http://issuu.com/carltonreid/docs/murder-most-foul

A very interesting read.

 

[marafi]

Which brings us to helmet designs and ventilation. You need enough solid helmet to retain the soil, but sufficient vents for the strawberries to grow.

That would be efficent and amazing if you can grow strawberries on a helmet it would be like breakfast on the go. Though i mean as in design like the fire one.

And for my comment above well if you dont understand it, then at least it shows it is not an instruction. And since your degree you say, should not give you an excuse for you to understand a statement that is pointed to the public as not as a instruction, but a thought in mind.

 

[doog]

edit

off to bed

 

[ufkacbln]

Two things about helmet design and compensation.

The EN1078 specification that helmets pass in the UK is so useless that is is not accepted in the US. YOu are not allowed to take part in Triathlons, or races if you have an EN1078 helmet. Which brings us to the thought. Should someone who buys a Halfirds / Lidl £9.99 job have their compensation cut because they chose to wear a helmet that offers less protection than one that passed a higher standard than Snell, CPSC etc?


Then we come to "modern design.

Helmets with more vents decrease the protection they offer. Firstly there is less material to absorb impact in the first place, and secondly the remaining material has to be a higher density and harder to maintain shape and not break. Finally there are carbon or other suports. Again this offers less absorption of the energy of an impact.

Modern design helmets offer far less protection than sya 15 years ago. The standard for helmets used to be Snell B95, but there are no helmets on the market that can now meet this!


Weird concept, as we get more and more pressure to wear one, the little protection they offer is decreasing!

 

[Dan_h]

Motorcycles generate a lot of wind cooling without the rider's head getting hot. They can do a lot more in the protection department.

Also motorcyclists don't have to worry about standing up and grinding up a long hill on a hot summers day!

 

[Red Light]

Motorcycles generate a lot of wind cooling without the rider's head getting hot. They can do a lot more in the protection department.

But do you really feel the need to wear a big heavy hot motorcycle helmet when the risk of a head injury is once every 4 million miles? Boris bikers have now completed over 8 million unhelmeted journeys without a single head injury. Do you really want to wear a motorcycle helmet for such a very rare eventuality?