The Last Jedi.... I cannot wait...

[Fnaar]

I only ever saw the first one, and it was so long ago can't remember what happened. Did the butler do it?

 

[accountantpete]

Same deal with Star Trek: TNG was good, as was DS9, Voyager pretty ordinary, and I can't be bothered watching any of the new films or series. They're flogging the dead horse there also.

Check out Discovery - it even has Lucius Malfoy as Captain!

 

[captain nemo1701]

Same deal with Star Trek: TNG was good, as was DS9, Voyager pretty ordinary, and I can't be bothered watching any of the new films or series. They're flogging the dead horse there also.

At least Star Trek evolves, SW is still seemingly fighting the same conflict and nothing appears to have changed. It was conceived by Lucas as a serial (a homage to Buck Rogers etc) which is a single story told in several episodes. But you eventually reach the conclusion, which was in 1983.

You should check out the 2009 Trek movie which reinvigorated it and told an origin story of how the crew first all met, something that it never did before. IMHO, the only SW movies that should be told are things like Rogue One which fills in gaps in the original story arc. Episode 7 was generally boring for me as it royally ripped off most of the plot from episode 4: Orphan on desert planet intercepts secret information in a droid and has to deliver it to the rebel alliance. Escapes from planet on Millenium Falcon. Sound familiar?.

 

[MontyVeda]

Loved the original trilogy, struggled with crapness of the prequel trilogy, thought The Force Awakens was a barely disguised reworking of the original and loved Rogue One.

Not sure about The Last Jedi... although I'll almost certainly end up going to see it.

Agreed on all points... it's those cuddly yet angry porgs that I'm not looking forward to in TLJ. In spite of TFA being a remake of Star Wars (only youngsters call it A New Hope), i thoroughly enjoyed it from start to (almost) finish... R2 suddenly coming back to life with the rest of the map was far too cheesy... and the only thing wrong with Rogue One was R2 and C-bloody-3PO (both of whom shouldn't have been in the prequels either).

Roll on december!

 

[AndyMack]

At least Star Trek evolves,

You should check out the 2009 Trek movie which reinvigorated it and told an origin story of how the crew first all met, something that it never did before. IMHO, the only SW movies that should be told are things like Rogue One which fills in gaps in the original story arc.

The prequels were Lucas ham fisted way of introducing the characters and providing a back story, not a good example but he tried his best.
The new Star Trek movie was decent enough but it’s still a bunch of people on a spaceship fighting space battles. Those movies and TV series imo show the same lack of imagination... blow the ship up, save the day, get a new enterprise at the end...go boldly blah blah blah.
The trouble with any franchise movie is you have to pay homage to the original work to keep the old fans happy but introduce new fans to the fold. You can’t keep everyone happy by doing so however it seems to pack em in so they’ll just stick to the same old formula...
And i’ll Still go see Indiana Jones 5 when it comes out...
Indiana Jones and The Search for Tenna Pants sounds decent.

 

[MacB]

Those movies and TV series imo show the same lack of imagination... blow the ship up, save the day, get a new enterprise at the end...go boldly blah blah blah.

Do my eyes deceive me, is someone singing the praises of SW while criticising others for a lack of imagination

Oh and the only decent thing about the newer SW was Jar Jar

 

[AndyMack]

Do my eyes deceive me, is someone singing the praises of SW while criticising others for a lack of imagination

Oh and the only decent thing about the newer SW was Jar Jar

No I’m saying franchise movie makers as a whole, I’m not letting Lucas or The House of Mouse of the hook either.


As for Jar Jar.....

You’re just wrong.

 

[Crackle]

No I’m saying franchise movie makers as a whole, I’m not letting Lucas or The House of Mouse of the hook either.


As for Jar Jar.....

You’re just wrong.

meesa think yousa wrong.

 

[Maverick Goose]

I only ever saw the first one, and it was so long ago can't remember what happened. Did the butler do it?

Miss Goodbody helped save the galaxy (she's always wanted to meet a guy who knows how to handle his lightsaber).

 

[MontyVeda]

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As for Jar Jar.....

...

Jar Jar Binks gets a lot more interesting if you watch the fan theory vid on Youtube, suggesting that the blundering-thing-fish was actually a Sith Lord... not so interesting that I'll ever bother watching the prequels again though.

 

[Inertia]

I'll be watching, I don't love the new films like the originals I grew up with but they are still fun. I'm not as keen on the darker tone but I think the new trailer might be misleading us a little in how things will go down.

Spoiler: Only a spoiler if you haven't watched the new trailer.

It seems to signpost that Ren kills his mother but it seems a little to obvious.

In the same way it looks like Rey is turning to the dark side when Ren holds his hand out. The two shots may be separate scenes or she may be convincing him to turn to the light instead.

I like Star Trek too so I don't understand the need to try and elevate one above the other.

 

[MacB]

As for Jar Jar.....

You’re just wrong.

Perspective yet again - I watched the films with my kids and they loved JJ, even had to get a JJ backpack for school for one of them. All their friends loved JJ as well and, as a parent, I found him a perfectly cute and tolerable character. Then it all changed as my children got older and started to decry JJ as the worst ever. Now, much as I like to think of my children as free thinking wunderkinds I reckon they were got at, nothing else could have turned that JJ love to such hate. I was right, they'd been reading online and listening to older 'wiser' kids, so the opinions of teenagers and strange adults had told them that their beloved character was terrible.....peer pressure did the rest.

I was about 11 when I saw the original in the cinema, it was fun, I was a lot older before I saw the second, can't remember why I saw it and didn't see the third until my kids watched them. I'm a big scifi fan but SW, even more so than ST, belongs in the children and possibly teens section. Which is exactly where JarJar belongs and is still beloved despite the 'grown-up' condemnation of the character.

In short - you're just wrong

 

[AndyMack]

Perspective yet again - I watched the films with my kids and they loved JJ, even had to get a JJ backpack for school for one of them. All their friends loved JJ as well and, as a parent, I found him a perfectly cute and tolerable character. Then it all changed as my children got older and started to decry JJ as the worst ever. Now, much as I like to think of my children as free thinking wunderkinds I reckon they were got at, nothing else could have turned that JJ love to such hate. I was right, they'd been reading online and listening to older 'wiser' kids, so the opinions of teenagers and strange adults had told them that their beloved character was terrible.....peer pressure did the rest.

I was about 11 when I saw the original in the cinema, it was fun, I was a lot older before I saw the second, can't remember why I saw it and didn't see the third until my kids watched them. I'm a big scifi fan but SW, even more so than ST, belongs in the children and possibly teens section. Which is exactly where JarJar belongs and is still beloved despite the 'grown-up' condemnation of the character.

In short - you're just wrong

I’m not wrong, I’m judging him as an adult, not a child and that’s essentially your point. I was a child when the first movies came out and they were the greatest movies I’d ever seen. Groundbreaking sound and effects and R2D2, I was your kids to my dad. I disliked the character but on the whole I didn’t enjoy the prequels anyway, they had their moments but were just far to creature heavy in a cgi universe already teeming with creatures.
I enjoyed TFA as it was a homage to the Original and well put together... Rogue One just blew me away, I thought it was brilliant.
I’m still a big kid at heart and that’s why I don’t analyse every detail as the movies are universal and watched by audiences of all ages.

Jar Jar’s still rubbish though. ;-)

 

[Inertia]

Perspective yet again - I watched the films with my kids and they loved JJ, even had to get a JJ backpack for school for one of them. All their friends loved JJ as well and, as a parent, I found him a perfectly cute and tolerable character. Then it all changed as my children got older and started to decry JJ as the worst ever. Now, much as I like to think of my children as free thinking wunderkinds I reckon they were got at, nothing else could have turned that JJ love to such hate. I was right, they'd been reading online and listening to older 'wiser' kids, so the opinions of teenagers and strange adults had told them that their beloved character was terrible.....peer pressure did the rest.

I was about 11 when I saw the original in the cinema, it was fun, I was a lot older before I saw the second, can't remember why I saw it and didn't see the third until my kids watched them. I'm a big scifi fan but SW, even more so than ST, belongs in the children and possibly teens section. Which is exactly where JarJar belongs and is still beloved despite the 'grown-up' condemnation of the character.

In short - you're just wrong

Midichlorians is another, smaller, example, most people didn't actually understand what they were, only that other fans told them they ruined the force.

I didn't enjoy Jar Jar but he didn't ruin my childhood, like you said he was unpopular with a lot of fans but the kids of the time seemed to like him. I like the prequel era though 2 is IMO clearly the weakest Star Wars film.

[edit] oh, and Ewoks is another one, it only seems that, years later people decided they were too cute.

 

[MontyVeda]

Midichlorians is another, smaller, example, most people didn't actually understand what they were, only that other fans told them they ruined the force.

I didn't enjoy Jar Jar but he didn't ruin my childhood, like you said he was unpopular with a lot of fans but the kids of the time seemed to like him. I like the prequel era though 2 is IMO clearly the weakest Star Wars film.

[edit] oh, and Ewoks is another one, it only seems that, years later people decided they were too cute.

The Ewoks were too cute back in nineteen-eighty-something. I was eight when Star Wars arrived and it was a film made for 8 year olds. I'll have been eleven when the Empire struck back, and again it was perfect for my age (deeper, darker)... but when the Jedi returned, i was given a film for 8 year olds Still loved it though, apart from the Ewoks.

When you say 2... you mean Attack of the Clones? I detest all the prequels but felt that was the strongest of the three.