The problem with "entry-level"

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GarthW

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SoCal
Good points about bad fit (which shouldn't happen if they'd buy at a real bike shop) and about finding out that a shiny bike doesn't automatically make you able to maintain hundreds of watts' output power going uphill.

What about those who try expensive bikes and then decide cycling isn't for them? There's more to cycling than just a bike.

I have a shirt-tail relative who's wealthy and buys expensive things on a whim. He bought a high-end bike years ago, professional grade at the time, rode it very little, and after it sat in his garage for years, he gave it to me. It was the perfect size for my wife. It had professional gearing though (42/21 low gear, think Pantani in the mountain climbs), and she's definitely not a climber, so I had to make some changes in the components so she wouldn't be discouraged by hills. So because of his buying habits, we got an outstanding quality bike, free, and then I put probably a couple hundred dollars into it to get it ready for her to ride. She rode it a lot.
 

albion

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Gateshead
Most dropping out will generally have little to do with the bike.
Mixing with traffic, coping with hills and feeling unsafe cycling alone will be at the fore.

There is normally little wrong with 'entry level'.
 
My late Great Great Aunty Edna once asked me why I'd spent so much money on my bike. Back in the mid nineties my posh mountain bike retailed for £2500. I asked her how much she'd paid for her 3 speed All Steel Raleigh that she'd purchased in 1950something. It turned out she'd paid the equivalent of about two months pay, so not far off what id paid for my super bike. That shut her up. The fact is, modern bikes represent extraordinary value for money and they get better value year on year. Even so, many people just don't want to pay what a decent bike costs, and so they buy junk, and then they wonder why cycling sucks.
 

Tom B

Guru
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Lancashire
This post annoyed me.... Significantly ....

Cant we just be pleased that people are riding bikes?

To paraphrase someone - Just rejoice at that news and congratulate those people sharing in our hobby and interest.

I see a chap regularly who rides his bike daily - its little more than a supermarket BSO from the 90s with a tote crate nailed to the front.
I doubt the bike has ever been in a bike shop, let along subject to a bike fit.
I see him at the local supermarket doing his shopping, I see him in the city 15 miles away, i see him tooing and froing around town.
He's knocking out at least 100 miles each week, hes fit, hes happy, he seems healthy.

I know another lad who a few years ago was an alcoholic and getting into trouble with the police. He ended up on community service litter picking after a court appearance and from there found he enjoyed it and ultimately got a job with the council as a litter picker. The problem is he starts work at 6am, the depot is 4 miles form his home, buses dont run at that time and he doesnt drive. He didnt have money for a bike fit, or a £600 bike, ill bet he didnt have £60. He ended up borrowing a bike 24" wheels one of the local teenagers had grown out of and with the help of a few people battered it into life. He's never looked back.... but for me.... the ill fitting BSO played a significant part. He still rides an X framed MTB, onroad, to the depot and back almost a decade on. Are you really saying she shouldn't have taken that bike? - He'd probably be dead or in gaol.

Another couple of old boys I see at the pub must weekends ride secondhand classics theyre easily in their 70s and i dare say their fit has changed since they aquired the bikes, they ride out at weekends and the occasional summer week day, do 20-30miles at a sedate pace stopping for a beer and a cake. They both have huge panniers front and rear and ive never seen a thing in them beyond their coat and hat while in the pub.

I ride a bike that cost me £450 in 2012, the frame has always been a bit big and i use a really short stem to make it feel okay. I got it when i was getting back into cycling with the intention of making sure it was do-able before spending more on a better bike. Well that bike has now got about 60'000miles on it and while i've often thought about new better bikes.... This one seems to do what I ask of it and being entry level chains cost £5-8, cassettes £15, bearings are pennies.

Are these efforts somehow less worthy than then the efforts of someone on a £4k bike, fitted at a bike shop with stuff above entry level.

I am usually in the top 10% on Strava and take great pleasure in whistling past people on plastic bikes with all the posh gear on my £450 bike with a teeshirt and Craghopper shorts on!
One of the things about Shimano entry level stuff is that its trickled down and actually pretty damn good - in my view its the smart buy. I can't really see that a top end groupset at £1200 is going to make any difference to my riding, it'd just bring bigger bills.

When buying "vin-ordinare" entry level wine I was told buy a bloke who knew about this stuff to avoid the stuff that's usually just above the base price as the retailers and sellers know people will buy that rather than the cheapest, often the cheapest is better than the stuff £1 more.


I suppose in a way it's the same attitude that seems my neighbour spaffing £750 a month on cars while grumbling about still paying the mortgage and a loan for holidays and so on.
 
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kingrollo

Legendary Member
Entry level bikes are mostly fine.

IME buying a low spec bike is unlikely to be the determining factor as to whether the person sticks with cycling.

I started with a £90 falcon ordered from a mail order - I'm still cycling 35+ years later.

In lockdown my bro brought a reasonable specialized MTB after a summer's use it's sat in the garage ever since.
 

AlBaker

Bikel-ist
I have a shirt-tail relative who's wealthy and buys expensive things on a whim. He bought a high-end bike years ago, professional grade at the time, rode it very little, and after it sat in his garage for years, he gave it to me. It was the perfect size for my wife. It had professional gearing though (42/21 low gear, think Pantani in the mountain climbs), and she's definitely not a climber, so I had to make some changes in the components so she wouldn't be discouraged by hills. So because of his buying habits, we got an outstanding quality bike, free, and then I put probably a couple hundred dollars into it to get it ready for her to ride. She rode it a lot.
Shame for a good bike to go to waste, that is until he gave it to you. I wonder how many bikes are hanging in garages, gathering dust.
I've been given a few bikes to fix up and sell. The worst of them was so bad I put my Sawzall to it and recycled the steel. I noticed how the rear wheel was cockeyed but it couldn't be adjusted in the dropouts. The problem was, the steel chainstays were such thin metal, it only took a slight bump to bend them out of alignment. Even box store bikes aren't that bad.
A nearby neighbor knew I liked to work on bikes so she gave me a folding bike. I took it home, looked it over and saw that it was going to cost far more than it was worth, so I took it back to her. She said she found it at the dump and was hoping I could do something with it.
 

brommieinkorea

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'Merica darnit
I started on a 14" wheeled bike with hard tyres, my training wheels came off when I was 4, shortly thereafter the little blue bike was gifted to the neighbors kid, I had a new ( used) bike and was happy to see another kid get to learn on that thing. It was entry level in every way and despite the fact that my regular ride cost over $4k now, the cheap one speed still ranks as my favorite. Of course my first bike probably cost $20 in 1963 , and I was it's third rider, maybe it wasn't entry level after all ?
 

AlBaker

Bikel-ist
I started on a 14" wheeled bike with hard tyres, my training wheels came off when I was 4, shortly thereafter the little blue bike was gifted to the neighbors kid, I had a new ( used) bike and was happy to see another kid get to learn on that thing. It was entry level in every way and despite the fact that my regular ride cost over $4k now, the cheap one speed still ranks as my favorite. Of course my first bike probably cost $20 in 1963 , and I was it's third rider, maybe it wasn't entry level after all ?

I don't know if there was such a thing as an entry-level bike 71 years ago when I got my first bike. It was a Raleigh Rudge, 24" wheels, single speed, a Christmas present. I was eight years old at the time. I rode it less than a minute before I fell off and removed some skin from my knee. I had learned to ride on an old junk bike that nobody owned, but it just lay around in the area. About 12" wheels, no crossbar, and the frame was in two halves that used to come apart. It was dangerous to ride but none of the kids where I lived owned a bike. Then my father scrapped it, and I thought he was mean, but it was just before Christmas when I got the Raleigh.

Incidentally, I note your name: Brommieinkorea. I take it you were originally from Birmingham, UK. My father was from there.
 
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