The rollercoaster of cycling popularity

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All uphill

Still rolling along
Location
Somerset
Peoples attitude to driving and fuel costs play a part.

Even at £2 a litre, despite much belly aching and inflated vehicles coats people are finding money for cars and fuel. They prioritise it other many other things and see maintaining car payments and fuel as an essential. There is no appetite currently to reduce milage.

I cross paths with a food bank at work, it never ceases to amaze me how many people turn up in a car to hoover up free food, despite living less than half a mile away, often smoking a fag.

I think we have some way to go, probably £2.60/ltr before people will really start to make changes to their milage and car use.

Agreed.

I think it's largely economically driven, once us weird enthusiasts have started cycle commuting. For non-enthusiasts to cycle they need to feel under real pressure, not just "money's a bit tight"

I volunteer with a group of people on very low incomes - for them a bike is an amazing thing, increasing their opportunities and making their world bigger. Then they have to tackle the whole maze of how to avoid your bike being stolen, how to ride safely, how to keep your bike going. It's not easy.
 
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Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
Moderator
Location
Glasgow
But if that ride would have been a commute to work, with maybe no shower/changing facilities there, then does that mean that a lot of cycling commuters start their day at work all sweaty and knackered!

I wouldn't like to start my day at work like that.
Why knackered?
My commute for many years used to be 6 flat miles each way, I don't remember ever feeling too tired to do it, not even after a 14 hour shift standing/walking all day, so an active job.
Now my commute is a meagre 3 miles each way.
I'm not suggesting people do a 20 mile each way work commute (even though there probably are some that do), but small distances are not tiring imo, maybe for the first week, but then one gets used to it.
The showering thing: I never do shower at work, I might get there with my outer layers soaking wet, but not sweaty, probably because I don't exert myself.
Funny enough, ime, the men seem to need a shower after cycle commuting, most women don't.
There's a guy at work that cycles from a couple of villages above mine, his commute into work is downhill, like mine.
We both change into our uniform, we both deal with body fluids at work, so the "professional image/office look" is not relevant.
But his commuter is a carbon without mudguards, no rack or panniers, just a saddle bag.
Mine is a steel tourer, winter kitted, massive panniers.
He goes hell for leather all stravad up .... no wonder he needs a shower :laugh:
Then again we have a consultant (needs to look the part) that only showers if he runs into work, not if he cycles.
It's all relative ^_^

but compared to driving which would be my only other alternative for a commute, is it really that expensive ? my car has cost me £500 this year already in MOT/servicing costs, that doesnt include insurance, VED or petrol costs or further repair costs if required.

cycling is by far the cheaper option, even if you bought a new £300 bike every year.
Of course you are right.
I think most people think of motoring expenses as inevitable, like the council tax lol
Because they feel driving is the only option, they pay what is needed to keep the car on the road, maybe doing without other stuff that is deemed not essential.

Even at £2 a litre, despite much belly aching and inflated vehicles coats people are finding money for cars and fuel. They prioritise it other many other things and see maintaining car payments and fuel as an essential. There is no appetite currently to reduce milage.
I agree with you, different priorities.
 

Tom B

Guru
Location
Lancashire
The long and short is you can always make excuses not to cycle, or to use the car.

I'll be honest it takes some moral fortitude some days to drag my backside out of bed at 5.30am on a dark, freezing cold morning when ice cold rain is horizontal there is a 360° headwind and I need 4layers and cycle while leaving the car on the drive (covered in ice).

I am in the don't shower at work, we have facilities, but unless I extend my ride I don't usually bother. I'l often have a shower after work on lates, before riding home if I need one so I don't disturb the kids at home.


Someone mentioned upthread about riding in bad weather / winter being bad for the bike. Agreed, but I'll counter than with a) I've been riding through winter for decades b) driving the car on salty roads is VERY bad for cars. My father has a friend who has a summer car he uses only April - end September it's immaculate and 30yrs old.

The bike is considerably cheaper to sort out out after winter. I've just changed the wheel bearings, crankset, chain and cassette for about £60. Even without winter the cassette and chain would be worn.
 
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Fastpedaller

Über Member
Location
Norfolk
All jogging needs is a pair of good running shoes, shorts and you are out the door. Cycling however is a HUGE expense and one has to be really into the sport/activity to stay with it. Around here most riders are into their middle age before they start Audaxing or riding recreational (here are NO commuters) and have the money to persevere. with it. I have spent thousands on bikes and only hundreds on running/hiking shoes.

Part of the problem is the 'media' saying bikes cost 10k or whatever. There are good, durable bikes available new for less than 1k, with used bikes being considerable cheaper. Some used, usable bikes are considerably less costly than good running trainers!
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Part of the problem is the 'media' saying bikes cost 10k or whatever. There are good, durable bikes available new for less than 1k, with used bikes being considerable cheaper. Some used, usable bikes are considerably less costly than good running trainers!

Anyone considering buying a bike will find that out in about 5 seconds.
 

Fastpedaller

Über Member
Location
Norfolk
Anyone considering buying a bike will find that out in about 5 seconds.

Would hope that is the case, but some people are very lazy - doorstep 'roof repair men' and other types take advantage of laziness, as people can't even be bothered to shop around/be advised when they are parting with huge amounts, likewise the scam 'investments' that pop up online.
 

Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
Anyone considering buying a bike will find that out in about 5 seconds.

Not really, unless they are already reasonably keen cyclists.

Somebody new to it will have little idea how to tell if an advertised bike is either good or durable. And whilethere certainly are such bikes available fairoly easily, there are also some not very good, and probably not very durable ones for similar prices.
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Not really, unless they are already reasonably keen cyclists.

Somebody new to it will have little idea how to tell if an advertised bike is either good or durable. And whilethere certainly are such bikes available fairoly easily, there are also some not very good, and probably not very durable ones for similar prices.

Nonsense. Someone, knowing nothing about cycling will think. I want to buy a bike. Who sells bikes? I know, Halfords. Off they go to Halfords website. How many £10k bikes are on sale in Halfords? None.

Or maybe Decathlon ... Even there, if you go straight to the Van Rysel section and look for the most expensive Dura Ace Di2 thing there it's still £2k short of £10k.

Or perhaps they can't remember the name of Halfords so they just go to google. And they get this. Not a £10k bike in sight.

They may still be clueless about what they actually want but if somehow they've got it into their head that bikes cost £10k then a few seconds will be all it takes to put them straight.
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Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
Nonsense. Someone, knowing nothing about cycling will think. I want to buy a bike. Who sells bikes? I know, Halfords. Off they go to Halfords website. How many £10k bikes are on sale in Halfords? None.

Or maybe Decathlon ... Even there, if you go straight to the Van Rysel section and look for the most expensive Dura Ace Di2 thing there it's still £2k short of £10k.

Or perhaps they can't remember the name of Halfords so they just go to google. And they get this. Not a £10k bike in sight.

They may still be clueless about what they actually want but if somehow they've got it into their head that bikes cost £10k then a few seconds will be all it takes to put them straight.
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Absolutely. But that isn't all you said, or what I was responding to.

Yes, a few seconds will tell them there are plenty of much cheaper bikes around.

What I was responding to was your assertion that a few seconds would tell them that there are "good, durable" bikes around for under £1K. And it takes some knowledge of the subject to have any real idea which of those bikes are either good or durable (and ideally both).
 

Dogtrousers

Lefty tighty. Get it righty.
Absolutely. But that isn't all you said, or what I was responding to.

Yes, a few seconds will tell them there are plenty of much cheaper bikes around.

What I was responding to was your assertion that a few seconds would tell them that there are "good, durable" bikes around for under £1K. And it takes some knowledge of the subject to have any real idea which of those bikes are either good or durable (and ideally both).

My point here is that "the media" telling people that all bikes cost £10k is not only untrue, but even if it were true it wouldn't be a problem
 
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