Time Trial PB's
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totallyfixed
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dr_pink got 2 PB's, one last weekend and one this weekend, 2:06:27 for 50 and 1:01:48 for 25. Neither on fast courses and to put it into perspective she finished 27th in the 50 mile TT out of 63, and 18th in the 25 out of 41 finishers.
On the subject of the 100 this Sunday in Cheshire, not particularly happy with the course changes especially the J18 M6 roundabout and the mini ones in Holmes Chapel [very poor road surface], We will have a recce on Saturday. It would be good if anyone in the area that is out that way on Sunday could give 2 CC'ers a cheer as they come past.
On the subject of the 100 this Sunday in Cheshire, not particularly happy with the course changes especially the J18 M6 roundabout and the mini ones in Holmes Chapel [very poor road surface], We will have a recce on Saturday. It would be good if anyone in the area that is out that way on Sunday could give 2 CC'ers a cheer as they come past.
Rob3rt
Man or Moose!
I am just about to plot the course actually, agree the mini islands are piss poor, I also don't like the idea of the little drag up into Holmes Chapel either. I am sure Dave did his best given the circumstances though.
OP
OP
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Last night I rode VC Bristol's Evening 10 TT.
Good conditions helped me gain a 5 second PB !
U102 from Iron Acton to Charfield roundabout & back.
Slightly undulating course.
http://app.strava.com/activities/160506169
Good conditions helped me gain a 5 second PB !
U102 from Iron Acton to Charfield roundabout & back.
Slightly undulating course.
http://app.strava.com/activities/160506169
In last nights round 7 of the celtic league i was one second off a course PB in windy conditions so only managed a 26:51 - was a lil gutted at that as i was well rested, but first 5 miles into a headwind with a slight 1% gradient between miles 2.2 and 3.8 was really tough.........
oldroadman
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The important bit being the placing, relative to the peer group. Nothing wrong with those efforts at all.
totallyfixed
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Absolutely agree with all of that, the frustration takes two forms, she has little real training time and so a lot of her results can be attributed to a very efficient, smooth riding technique. The other irritating aspect is that her peer group have faster PB's because they ride on the A50 or A1 , unfortunately the seeding for Nationals [and we are currently waiting for the National 100 start sheet to come out] is based on fastest times, not on the course they were done on. This has a detrimental effect during the race because dr_pink has to get past slower riders and also it is difficult to compare her ride with her equals as they are all ranked higher and will be chasing her, much, much better to have at least some of your main rivals in front of you.
After saying all that I am very proud of her achievements to date, just got to get her ready for the 100 and 12 hour.
Rob3rt
Man or Moose!
I agree with your point, on the most part, but how many times are you going to make the same point on this thread? It is a thread about TT PB's...
The start sheet is now out
See you there!
totallyfixed
Veteran
She is not going to be overly happy, ranked nowhere as predicted with her rivals all chasing her down. p155ed off.I agree with your point, on the most part, but how many times are you going to make the same point on this thread? It is a thread about TT PB's...
The start sheet is now out
Edit, just had a text from her, not happy, something has to change.
Rob3rt
Man or Moose!
I know, I tweeted her as soon as it hit my inbox, she wasn't pleased and rightly so. I also think my seeding is based on NQT (I'm on a 8 with Nick English chasing me down for 2 mins), oh well I haven't a chance of placing so little consequence to me, although for Dr Pink it is a much bigger deal!
oldroadman
Veteran
I agree with your point, on the most part, but how many times are you going to make the same point on this thread? It is a thread about TT PB's...
The start sheet is now out
Sorry you are irritated by that, but PB are a pointless measure as conditions/courses vary. With the result that happens as described to Dr Pink. I do wonder if sometimes it's about "willy waving" and there are people who are prepared to risk everything riding up and down virtual motorways in a quest for a "fast" time. I agree with anyone who blames the system of field selection based on times - it's nonsense. However getting change from CTT (or RTTC as they were) must be like pulling teeth for anyone who tries to change things.
Not saying PBs are not a nice thing to have, but it's not everything.
gds58
Über Member
If you guys want to discuss the relative merits or otherwise of the current method of field selection and starting position then would it not be best done under a separate thread with an appropriate heading. This thread seems to have gone a bit off topic to say the least. It might also help if those that are criticising the current system were to suggest an easy workable solution that could be adopted by event secretaries. The current system has been in place for a long time and in fairness it only has a very small number of objectors which are almost always from the 'slower' riders. At the risk of opening a 'hornets nest' might I suggest that these people do one of two things (or both!) 1. Train harder or 2. Accept that occasionally you have to ride a 'Fast' course and get a decent time under your belt. Otherwise, quit moaning.
oldroadman
Veteran
A simple system was suggested to me a while ago. Winner of any TT gets one point down to however many places (say 120?).
When entering other races, best 10 results from the beginning of previous season to entry date are taken for a points total, lowest total gets in first. No need for risk taking in the traffic on some of the "fast" courses. A simple start, but a good one, and fairer as it relates peer placings. Not perfect, but seems to be a bit more reasonable than simply time which whilst an absolute is subject to far more variables with weather, traffic, course, etc. I hasten to add it's not my idea, personally I'm not bothered as I can't see the point of TT's week in and week out (something unique to this island), but whatever floats your boat....
Rob3rt
Man or Moose!
Who keeps a tally of the total? The rider? How easy is this to verify should the need arise or a query be raised? Given that at present many riders can't even write a time on a form correctly, will riders be filling it in correctly when adopting a more complicated system (especially when you start adding in things such as which types of event count toward which entries, for example club event results not counting toward National entries)?
That is before you even start to consider how highly dependant placing is on the quality and the size of the field in which you compete! I've been 2 mins clear of the rest of the field in a 10 before, yet been outside of the top 5 on other days, even on the same course, yet my times have been within +-10 seconds for both cases.
