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[col]

Stop acting thick; there are multiple cyclists in Cambridge with cameras, and word gets out among bus and taxi drivers quite quickly when one of their number gets disciplined due to such footage. Wear a camera here, wear it prominently, and you get less trouble from such classes of drivers.

Buses and taxis are a minority to the total number of vehicles,what about private cars?So thats your town sorted ,and one or two others who wear these cams have their town sorted,just need some in other towns and you have sorted the bad driving eh?Get real.who's acting thick now

 

[Cab]

Buses and taxis are a minority to the total number of vehicles,what about private cars?

In the city centre? They're not in a minority. And as classes of vehicle they're disproportionally problematic. So reducing risk associated with them is well worth it.

Private vehicles? The camera has not had a measurable infuence; my impression is that if it is visible then I get fewer close overtakes, but thats all it is, an impression. With private vehicles don't get sufficient 'incidents' with or without the camera to draw conclusions.

So thats your town sorted ,and one or two others who wear these cams have their town sorted,just need some in other towns and you have sorted the bad driving eh?Get real.who's acting thick now

You mean, you can't see that an increase in people using an increasingly inexpensive gadget, thus positively influencing the occasionally bad behaviour of the most problematic classes of motorist, is a good thing?

Still, you've backed down from your original point and accepted the truth of what I've said, and then merely come out with an angry assertion that it can't be true because there aren't enough cyclists doing what some of us are doing... Please, feel free to shift ground and make another unrelated claim now.

 

[col]

In the city centre? They're not in a minority. And as classes of vehicle they're disproportionally problematic. So reducing risk associated with them is well worth it.

Private vehicles? The camera has not had a measurable infuence; my impression is that if it is visible then I get fewer close overtakes, but thats all it is, an impression. With private vehicles don't get sufficient 'incidents' with or without the camera to draw conclusions.



You mean, you can't see that an increase in people using an increasingly inexpensive gadget, thus positively influencing the occasionally bad behaviour of the most problematic classes of motorist, is a good thing?

Still, you've backed down from your original point and accepted the truth of what I've said, and then merely come out with an angry assertion that it can't be true because there aren't enough cyclists doing what some of us are doing... Please, feel free to shift ground and make another unrelated claim now.

You said it yourself,the occasional bad behaviour,amongst those involved in action took only,a drop in the ocean,but do carry on your crusade,as it does help.albeit in a hardly noticable way in the real world.But dont loose that positive attitude and confidence.

 

[domtyler]

Magnatom has admitted many times to riding in a more assertive and dominant manner when he has his camera with him than when he doesn't.

Sorry cab, but at this present time I really don't believe that any more than a small handful of drivers, an insignificant number, are aware that any cyclists are wearing cams. I also don't think most of them are aware enough to notice one when they see it.

 

[Cab]

You said it yourself,the occasional bad behaviour,

Errm, no, I said:

In front of Magdelene college theres a narrow section of road where traffic entering the city has priority over traffic leaving the city. Without the camera I get two to three instances of idiots driving right at me there per week. With the camera I average less than that per month.

Being, as I stated, busses and taxis for the most part; two or three per week on one small section of road as an example is not occasional. That normal people in normal cars (not taxis) are only occasionally problematic does not change that.

But, heck, I'm just basing a summary of what I've said on what I actually said. Don't feel like you have to do likewise if it gets in the way of mis-stating my stance.

amongst those involved in action took only,

Nope. I said:

word gets out among bus and taxi drivers quite quickly when one of their number gets disciplined due to such footage.

Which means it isn't, as you insist:

a drop in the ocean,

...as you'd know from my comment:

Wear a camera here, wear it prominently, and you get less trouble from such classes of drivers.

Look, if you're going to simply mis-state what I've written, and which is there in black and white in front of you, this is going to take a long time and you're going to end up looking very, very stupid. Stop it.

 

[Cab]

Magnatom has admitted many times to riding in a more assertive and dominant manner when he has his camera with him than when he doesn't.

Magnatom may admit to whatever he likes. I don't see any particular reason why his behaviour is representative and mine is not. I don't seek to answer for him, and I wouldn't expect him to belive that I behave like he does.

Sorry cab, but at this present time I really don't believe that any more than a small handful of drivers, an insignificant number, are aware that any cyclists are wearing cams. I also don't think most of them are aware enough to notice one when they see it.

Re-read what I've written. Specific problem categories of driver find out about this kind of thing if there are a coupl of cyclists using them, and they'll look out for them. Bus drivers and taxi drivers talk about these things; word gets around. Make the camera prominent, be willing to use footage to get someone who had endangered held to account. It works; the evidence, as far as I can make out from the reduction in incidents involving busss and taxis if I'm visibly wearing my camera in the location I'm using as a test point, is very clear.

 

[domtyler]

Magnatom may admit to whatever he likes. I don't see any particular reason why his behaviour is representative and mine is not. I don't seek to answer for him, and I wouldn't expect him to belive that I behave like he does.



Re-read what I've written. Specific problem categories of driver find out about this kind of thing if there are a coupl of cyclists using them, and they'll look out for them. Bus drivers and taxi drivers talk about these things; word gets around. Make the camera prominent, be willing to use footage to get someone who had endangered held to account. It works; the evidence, as far as I can make out from the reduction in incidents involving busss and taxis if I'm visibly wearing my camera in the location I'm using as a test point, is very clear.

I'm not saying that he is any more representative, just that if he is doing it then at least some percentage of cam wearing cyclists must behave in a similar way. You say you don't and I believe you.

You are most probably right that there may be a some knowledge of cameras among certain subsets of drivers, especially professional drivers.

None of this addresses the root cause of the epidemic of ill-treatment of cyclists by motor vehicle drivers in this country though, and that is the reluctance of the police to prosecute and come down hard on the hard core of truly anti social drivers and the lack of will in the courts to prosecute them in any meaningful way when they do. Until they do we will continue to be abused and mistreated by the real idiots and the sheep will see this and see them getting away with it and take the lead from them.

 

[BentMikey]

Apart from the verbal interactions with drivers, the camera has also made me ride more assertively, and I like to think to a better standard. Not because I believe it's a forcefield like that from a Magic Foam Hat (TM) as Col tries to imply, but because afterwards I've reviewed footage and realised my mistakes. Later I then ride that same section, and similar situations, much better. In most cases, this has also been more assertively.

Cab's right though, people often mistake my Fenix lights for cameras. The way they talk it implies to me that they're not surprised by the presence of a video camera on a bike.