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Noodley

Guest
2 traffic cops were on patrol when they saw a car go through a stop sign at a junction without stopping. Having stopped the car, the offending driver argued that he had "slowed down" and as there were no cars he had carried on across the junction. The cops stated that the sign clearly indicated that he should stop. The driver argued strongly that he had slowed down and he could not see the problem. After a considerable time arguing about the difference between slowing down and stopping, one of the cops asked the man to step out of his car in order that he could demonstrate the difference. The driver duly obliged, at which point the cop started to hit him across the head and body with his baton: "Now sir, would you like me to slow down or would you like me to stop?"
 

MontyVeda

a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
Ask me how much sleep I'm going to lose pondering upon the answer. :whistle:
if you're not interested, don't post anything... unless you get a cheap thrill belittling people.
 

vickster

Squire
Pierce Brosnan is Irish :whistle:

I've just spent 2 weeks driving in the US - Stop lines are all very well but mostly they are positioned behind the junction so you can't actually see the traffic coming :wacko:...I am a proponent of the rolling stop on this basis

Turning right on red at most junctions has its merits but takes time to get used to

However - the not moving out of the inside lane on faster moving roads to allow traffic to join really really irks me!
 

machew

Veteran
Oh yeah, they got incredibly tight traffic rules, which is right and proper in the name of safety.

Yet you can still buy legally buy assault rifles without any kind of permit, which means safety is totally ignored in favour of constitutional rights.

Mad, the lot of them.
What is an "assault rifle"

First, we have to look at the definition of "assault rifle"

There is a military definition of "Assault rifle," which is a rifle of intermediate caliber, firing from a closed bolt, in select fire (both self-loading, and automatic or burst), intended for engagements primarily under 200 yards.
Assault rifles are strictly regulated by the National Fireams Act of 1934 (It predates assault rifles by a decade), requiring a background check, law enforcement approval, a $200 tax stamp, and are illegal in 12 states at the state level. No new ones can be manufactured for civilian sale since 1986. Current market prices are around $12,000 and up.

TThe Congressional and some state definition of an "Assault rifle" attempts to FURTHER restrict guns. However, there are only a few ways to make a rifle cycle, and any attempt to use those definitions means a ban on common hunting rifles. Instead, the bans focused on cosmetics.

No "Flash hider." Not having a flash suppressor on a rifle doesn't stop it from shooting, or change its shooting characteristics in any way.
No "Grenade launcher." Not being able to fire Grenades doesn't stop it from shooting, or change its shooting characteristics in any way.
No "Collapsible or folding stock" Folding stocks enable a weapon to be transported more easily in a case. Collapsible, or more accurately, adjustable stocks, are a useful feature because the rifle can be adjusted to fit users of different size, or for various seasons of clothing. The lack is irrelevant at best, frustrating to legitimate shooters at worse. It makes no difference on the ability of the weapon to fire.
No "Barrel shroud" this stops you from burning your hand on a weapon that doesn't have an existing handguard.
No "Pistol grip." At one time, guns were straight sticks with barrels banded to them. These days, we have a much better understanding of ergonomics. A great many modern guns of every type have pistol grips that enable a more secure grip and better shooting. The inconvenient workaround is a protrusion from the stock that doesn’t enable quite the same grip on the weapon. In any case, it makes no difference to the ability of the weapon to fire.
When the above failed to change anything they when and baned "AR15s or copies." The courts then said you must define "copy." Since the terms address cosmetics only, there's no way to do that.
Then then banned "High capacity magazines." The AR15 has had a STANDARD 30 round magazine since 1967 (replacing the original 20 round magazine). The AK series have had 30 and 40 round magazines since 1947. What you propose is REDUCED capacity magazines. But, three 20 rounders are as effective as two thirty rounders, and a magazine change takes about a second.
The AR magazine is the NATO standard, or STANAG. The British L85, the German G36, the French FAMAS, the Korean Daewoo, and quite a few other rifles take the exact same magazine. There are approximately 63 bajillion of them in existence (and the manufacturers are cranking out more as we speak).
The AR is almost unique in its flexibility. It can be anything from a .22 caliber pistol to a .458 SOCOM entry carbine in a matter of seconds, just by changing receivers and stocks (assuming your gun is listed as a pistol on its original purchase form, because going the other way, from rifle to pistol, violates a law. Why? You tell me, it wasn't a shooter who came up with that idea). Its basic design, btw, is from 1955, and the first civilian production guns from 1963, which means that in the coming year, it starts to achieve status as a "Curio And Relic," meaning it's more valuable as an historical artifact than as a rifle. There are specific subrules for C&Rs that avoid much of the paperwork for modern guns.
 

BigonaBianchi

Yes I can, Yes I am, Yes I did...Repeat.
My experiences of american drivers was positive. Across 10 states I only had one issue with a driver (colorado). For the most part they are safer around cyclists than uk drivers. I wasnt in the big cities though which would be different I think.
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
if you're not interested, don't post anything... unless you get a cheap thrill belittling people.

That's one interpretation......
 

Hotblack Desiato

Well-Known Member
The UK is weird.

We think it's perfectly ok to have a free health service but we don't let people carry a gun. Where's the sense in that?

or is it the other way round..

The USA is weird.

They think it's perfectly ok to let anyone carry a gun but providing a free health service is evil. Where's the sense in that?
 
What is an "assault rifle"

First, we have to look at the definition of "assault rifle"

There is a military definition of "Assault rifle," which is a rifle of intermediate caliber, firing from a closed bolt, in select fire (both self-loading, and automatic or burst), intended for engagements primarily under 200 yards.
Assault rifles are strictly regulated by the National Fireams Act of 1934 (It predates assault rifles by a decade), requiring a background check, law enforcement approval, a $200 tax stamp, and are illegal in 12 states at the state level. No new ones can be manufactured for civilian sale since 1986. Current market prices are around $12,000 and up.

TThe Congressional and some state definition of an "Assault rifle" attempts to FURTHER restrict guns. However, there are only a few ways to make a rifle cycle, and any attempt to use those definitions means a ban on common hunting rifles. Instead, the bans focused on cosmetics.

No "Flash hider." Not having a flash suppressor on a rifle doesn't stop it from shooting, or change its shooting characteristics in any way.
No "Grenade launcher." Not being able to fire Grenades doesn't stop it from shooting, or change its shooting characteristics in any way.
No "Collapsible or folding stock" Folding stocks enable a weapon to be transported more easily in a case. Collapsible, or more accurately, adjustable stocks, are a useful feature because the rifle can be adjusted to fit users of different size, or for various seasons of clothing. The lack is irrelevant at best, frustrating to legitimate shooters at worse. It makes no difference on the ability of the weapon to fire.
No "Barrel shroud" this stops you from burning your hand on a weapon that doesn't have an existing handguard.
No "Pistol grip." At one time, guns were straight sticks with barrels banded to them. These days, we have a much better understanding of ergonomics. A great many modern guns of every type have pistol grips that enable a more secure grip and better shooting. The inconvenient workaround is a protrusion from the stock that doesn’t enable quite the same grip on the weapon. In any case, it makes no difference to the ability of the weapon to fire.
When the above failed to change anything they when and baned "AR15s or copies." The courts then said you must define "copy." Since the terms address cosmetics only, there's no way to do that.
Then then banned "High capacity magazines." The AR15 has had a STANDARD 30 round magazine since 1967 (replacing the original 20 round magazine). The AK series have had 30 and 40 round magazines since 1947. What you propose is REDUCED capacity magazines. But, three 20 rounders are as effective as two thirty rounders, and a magazine change takes about a second.
The AR magazine is the NATO standard, or STANAG. The British L85, the German G36, the French FAMAS, the Korean Daewoo, and quite a few other rifles take the exact same magazine. There are approximately 63 bajillion of them in existence (and the manufacturers are cranking out more as we speak).
The AR is almost unique in its flexibility. It can be anything from a .22 caliber pistol to a .458 SOCOM entry carbine in a matter of seconds, just by changing receivers and stocks (assuming your gun is listed as a pistol on its original purchase form, because going the other way, from rifle to pistol, violates a law. Why? You tell me, it wasn't a shooter who came up with that idea). Its basic design, btw, is from 1955, and the first civilian production guns from 1963, which means that in the coming year, it starts to achieve status as a "Curio And Relic," meaning it's more valuable as an historical artifact than as a rifle. There are specific subrules for C&Rs that avoid much of the paperwork for modern guns.
Very informative and just a little frightening. But what does this have to do with differences between US and UK policing and perceived or otherwise 'overeaction'?
 
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