Van driver knocks bike over with child in bike seat, and drives over the bike.

Discussion in 'Advocacy and Cycling Safety' started by Arjimlad, 7 Mar 2018.

  1. fixedfixer

    fixedfixer Über Member

    Sad that so many people just 'drive off'. The penalty for doing so should be a life time ban. + one for the judge not letting the 'employment' card be used.
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  2. Drago

    Drago Guru

    Central Trumpland
    It requires different observation drills, and once properly managed in that way presents no problem. If we're honest, the average driver has 2 working eyes, but possesses virtually no skills or discipline when it comes to observation. Having compromised eyesight, but using it to its fullest extent is a lot more effective than having normal eyesight but not bothering to use it properly, which is what the average drivers does.

    In this case, the twottie's mitigation is in fact an unwitting admission that he has not developed the skills to permit him to overcome his disability safely.
  3. Mister Paul

    Mister Paul Legendary Member

    As long as a driver has informed the DVLA (DVSA?) of their impairment, and had confirmation from them that they are permitted to drive, and have also informed their insurance company who have accepted the risk, then that's fine. If they've not done any of these things then they are knowingly driving illegally and are uninsured and shouldn't be on the road.
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  4. RoubaixCube

    RoubaixCube ~Tribanese~

    London, UK
    Crocodile tears. If he had actually felt any guilt and remorse he would of stopped regardless of who was on that bicycle.

    Being late for work does not mean that i can legally run people (Child or adult) over and drive off.

    He should of been given the choice of jail time or losing his license. Scumbag
    Last edited: 8 Mar 2018
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  5. Time Waster

    Time Waster Well-Known Member

    6 weeks after passing my driving test in the first attempt I went on a RoSPA driving safety course for no other reason than it seemed a good idea, my dad paid for it and I got to drive my parents car for a bit longer before they knocked me off the insurance. Added bonus was that the course insured us to drive other people's cars with their permission so I got to drive a large engined rover (was a while ago).

    My biggest take from that course was that despite passing my test with flying colours and being described as a good driver I really didn't observe that many of the potential hazards I encountered driving. The driving test and lessons leading to them did not adequately teach hazard awareness. I believe this is part of the current test but how many are driving who passed before it was brought in?

    IMHO a one eyed driver is likely to compensate for the loss of one eye by using his / her good eye more efficiently. By that I mean learn to become more observant. If you can't observe a hazard you are putting yourself or others at risk. It's likely to be the observation not the physical sight of it that determines safety.

    To put it into a cycling framework. I own a recumbent and before I got it ppl on cycling forums who used similar bikes / trikes all said it's likely to be safer riding them than uprights because drivers notice you because you're an unusual object on the road. The opposite of this argument is that there will be accidents where drivers saw uprights but didn't acknowledge it. As in observation failure.

    I don't know if this is true but I'd love to see research on observation of hazards and the differences between two samples of fully sighted and single eyed drivers. It could be a very simple test on a simulator. Get a big enough sample set you could get good results / research out of it.
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  6. simon.r

    simon.r Person

    No need to inform DVLA if you have monocular vision (for car / motorbike licences).

    Edit - assuming you meet the required standards of vision.
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  7. Mister Paul

    Mister Paul Legendary Member

    Yes, there are conditions if you have any kind of disability, and specific comments on some circumstances. The driver is responsible for checking, and if not sure then to refer him/herself.

    What that link is confirming is that there's no automatic ban if you have monocular vision, but you have to meet the conditions.
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  8. Profpointy

    Profpointy Guru

    my understanding, as explained to me by a PhD physicist whose speciality was 3d imaging, is that binocular vision helps judge distances for close up things - picking things up, or watch repairing, and the like, not relatively far away things like when you're driving.
  9. Mort

    Mort Interstellar Overalls

    I have (pretty much) monocular vision and it helps to explain why I'm rubbish at snooker and pool. But I can still drive a car without problems, as well as doing intricate close-up work, and I'm not a bad shot with a rifle either!
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  10. Time Waster

    Time Waster Well-Known Member

    At least you don't have to shut one eye to take aim! :okay:
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  11. Drago

    Drago Guru

    Central Trumpland
    I left eye lead, which was always a ball ache being right handed when using long barreled weapons. The Chris Kyle 'both eyes open' is the one that works best for me.3
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  12. RoubaixCube

    RoubaixCube ~Tribanese~

    London, UK
    Partially sighted or not to not stop at the scene of the incident/accident is a crime and he should of received a much harsher sentence. This is nothing but a slap on the wrist. Not to mention the fact that I read somewhere (either here or on that didnt turn up to court or police station when summoned so many times the police had to file a warrant for his arrest and take him in while cuffed.

    Do these actions sound like the come from someone who is apologetic??

    Car-centric and all that guff aside our justice system is a joke. Who remembers the story about a university student who stabbed her boyfriend with a fork? The judge let her off the hook because she was under the influence of drugs at the time though she denies being a regular drug user. Ontop of that she was female and studying some PHD or degree course in some medical profession and 'Had a promising future' (I cant seem to remember if she was a part time model as well...)

    there are loads of incidents like these where people who have committed crimes where one person was either almost killed or had their lives completely changed by the injuries they received from said incident only for them to almost walk out of court scott free.

    It begs the question.... What is the value of life to these people? To the judges, to the jurys as well as to those who commit these acts of crime?

    We hear stories of OAPs getting stabbed to death for the £5 they had in their pockets. Yet when the perpetrators get caught and arrested nothing meaningful comes out of it. They'll probably spend a year or two in jail and they'll be out again looking for their next victim.
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  13. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

  14. Milkfloat

    Milkfloat Veteran

    I am left eye dominant, so I taught myself to shoot left handed. Fine with my shotguns, but not so good with an SA-80.
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  15. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    I thought it was one of the Grimm Brothers tales.
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