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[Welsh wheels]

A maritime police force? That feels like a secondary role of the sort intended to justify something to the public.

I'd need a better grip on the numbers to understand if the contemporary navy's contribution to any of these activities can be considered as vital on a global, or even national scale.

I suspect we only know the half of the contributions the navy makes.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Someone said it was never a dogfighter, all I did was provide both sides.

Did you read the piece where he said it was actually done on the ground(simulator) not in the air.

VTOL & 3D veyctored thrust removed from the XF-35. The first a requirement for UK ship bourne use, when the order was placed.

When the manufacturer of a piece designed to help save the pilot, has to start putting a 11 stone limit as a maximum weight then a minimum weight limit of five pounds less, there's a problem. Given their seat was designed for the aircraft.

Yeah I did notice when I saw the headline of the piece that it was a simulator - do you think that makes a difference?

VTOL isn't a requirement, SVOTL is. F35, like Harrier can take off vertically,


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW28Mb1YvwY


...but it does so with little or no payload so is operationally useless, just like Harrier. That's why both were designed to operate from carrier decks with a ski ramp. Both F35 and Harrier can and do land vertically - F35 with a fully automated system, Harrier by the seat of the pilot's pants (which killed a lot of USMC pilots).

Thrust vectoring is what allows SVOTL and is seen here -


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRgcC9eqEJg


and being used lo land vertically here


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7cAmCCmObw


Sorry, I don't know what you mean by 3D thrust vectoring.

Regarding the ejection seat -

Martin Baker (Hall 4 Stand G110) says that a solution to a safety problem with the F-35 ejection seat is two-thirds of the way through a testing program. Lt. General Chris Bogdan, the F-35 program executive officer, said last week that the proposed fixes will meet all F-35 requirements.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...3/martin-baker-has-fix-f-35-seat-safety-issue

There was no maximum weight limit. They identified issues with pilots under 165lb and said it was unacceptably dangerous below 136lbs. This meant that one pilot in the USAF couldn't fly it, a woman. I would venture that there are very few pilots in any air force weighing less than 11 1/2 st and, as we have seen, only one in the entire USAF weighing less than 9 1/2 st. The issue was caused by the helmet btw, not the plane. The helmet is packed with sensors and quite heavy. The force of a 14G ejection magnifies the helmet's weight from 5lb to 70lb - which could cause anything from a neck strain to fracture. The new seat will have restraints that will pull the helmet upright and into a safe position on ejection. So as you can see, not exactly an insurmountable problem.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

What, precisely, is the point of the Royal Navy, other than to inadvertently remind everyone that the UK is no longer a military super power?

Three roles

1) Deployment and protection of Britain's strategic nuclear deterrent.
2) Protection of Britain's sea lanes - 95% of goods imported into the UK come by sea. The figure for the EU is 50%
3) Force projection - "The army is a weapon fired by the navy". For all that troops can be moved swiftly by air, their heavy equipment has to go by sea along with the ongoing supplies to sustain them.

 

[Piemaster]

3) Force projection - "The army is a weapon fired by the navy". For all that troops can be moved swiftly by air, their heavy equipment has to go by sea along with the ongoing supplies to sustain them.

The Navy don't do that though do they? They have warships.The civilian RFA do the heavy lifting stuff, including keeping the warships provisioned/fueled.
Sure I've read something about foreign registered cargo ships carrying gear for deployments but I can't find it at moment.

edit There are the amphibious assault boats, so there is sort of a ground force capacity, but then they carry Marines, not Army.

 

[kevin_cambs_uk]

We still have a warship?!!!

 

[Welsh wheels]

The Navy don't do that though do they? They have warships.The civilian RFA do the heavy lifting stuff, including keeping the warships provisioned/fueled.
Sure I've read something about foreign registered cargo ships carrying gear for deployments but I can't find it at moment.

The amphibious assault ships the navy have move troops and equipment, normally only marines though.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

The Navy don't do that though do they? They have warships.The civilian RFA do the heavy lifting stuff, including keeping the warships provisioned/fueled.
Sure I've read something about foreign registered cargo ships carrying gear for deployments but I can't find it at moment.

edit There are the amphibious assault boats, so there is sort of a ground force capacity, but then they carry Marines, not Army.

Absolutely. And who sweeps the port for mines before the RFA docks? And who escorts the RFA to protect against air attack? It's symbiotic, I didn't mean to denigrate the RFA at all when I said the navy fires the army.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Heres an example of the way the RN & RFA work hand in glove:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/52589/supplement/43/data.pdf

 

[Piemaster]

The amphibious assault ships the navy have move troops and equipment, normally only marines though.

Might have been editing my post when you wrote that. Seems like one of the two in the Class is now in 'extended readiness'. Which sounds like its at the back of the cupboard, next to the waffle maker.
Its the Point class I was more thinking of, for the larger deployments.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Here's the RFA Tidespring sailing from Korea to the UK a few weeks ago - impressive looking ship


View: https://youtu.be/srp4S_MhC1U

 

[Piemaster]

I've know quite a few RFA personnel over the years, including sharing College rooms with them. Some of them even managed to get jobs on 'proper Merchant Navy ships - more pay balanced by more work with crews a fraction of the size the RFA carry

 

[Welsh wheels]

Might have been editing my post when you wrote that. Seems like one of the two in the Class is now in 'extended readiness'. Which sounds like its at the back of the cupboard, next to the waffle maker.
Its the Point class I was more thinking of, for the larger deployments.

What use is extended readiness? Maybe we should come to an agreement with our enemies that they should give us 'extended notice' before attacking us.

 

[Welsh wheels]

I would love to get an honest opinion from the navy top dogs how they feel about how about all the government's cuts in the last 10 or so years. I don't think the answer would be family-friendly.

 

[Piemaster]

What use is extended readiness? Maybe we should come to an agreement with our enemies that they should give us 'extended notice' before attacking us.

Probably about as much use as the Point Class. Marine traffic website shows the only one anywhere handy is in Southampton. Anvil Point. The other 3 available to the MOD are further afield. Presumably earning coin for the Shipowner, unless of course they are actually being used by the MOD at the moment.

 

[Piemaster]

Here's the RFA Tidespring sailing from Korea to the UK a few weeks ago - impressive looking ship


View: https://youtu.be/srp4S_MhC1U

If my boss saw that he'd be wondering how much the tug at the start of the vid would cost.