Was this bus driver bad?

[tdr1nka]

Cab,

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, for pitys sake shut up and leave the nice lady bus driver alone now!

Fuggit. And I'd just started to have a little fun as well, admittedly at your expence, sorry.

Mickle, the Giraffe in platforms reference was in response to Cab being described as being on his high horse. Cab insisted on bringing along a kneeling pony from which to spout and it all kinda went downhill from there really, earwigs and spitting, no end of fun has been had.

Cab may I say how much I truely admire your zeal in the department of exacting honourable truths from spurious details, have you ever thought of becoming an MP?

T x

 

[Cab]

Cab,

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, for pitys sake shut up and leave the nice lady bus driver alone now!

She asked for opinions, I've given them to her, she's well able to defend her position against that if she chooses to do so. She has chosen not to do so, and I suggest thats because she knows she was in the wrong.
I've reasoned, not abused. Leave her alone? Heck, I've said and done nothing to apologise for.

Fuggit. And I'd just started to have a little fun as well, admittedly at your expence, sorry.

You'll appreciate that after your posts here directed at me, I genuinely don't give a flying fig for whether you care for the tone or content of my posts. In any way.

 

[mickle]

Ooooooh! Handbags!

 

[tdr1nka]

She asked for opinions one presumes she ment the plural and not the same one over and over and over and over and over and over et al, R.I.P, etc.

As my posts have been directed at you I shall delight in keeping the flying fig for myself, ta!

Cab I don't expect you to pay attention to my posts as you have systematically failed to notice postings by other members telling you to calm down.

T x

 

[Cab]

She asked for opinions one presumes she ment the plural and not the same one over and over and over and over and over and over et al, R.I.P, etc.

The way to stop a question coming back is to answer it. Its that simple. And because it'll probably annoy you, I'll apologise in advance for repeating this challenge, word for word:

Go on then, someone, anyone, make a case for pulling out into the space a bike is in/is imminently about to enter from a legal road position. Make a case where the person pulling out into that space is correct to do so. Or make a case that where the person pulling out, on realising their error, continues to do so and then gives the cyclist a hard time over it. Make a case for that person not having made a mistake. Make a case for that person, on reflection, not accepting that they were in error.

As my posts have been directed at you I shall delight in keeping the flying fig for myself, ta!

Cab I don't expect you to pay attention to my posts as you have systematically failed to notice postings by other members telling you to calm down.

I'm perfectly calm, thank you. Don't ever assume otherwise.

The position put forward here by Nethalus is indefensible. Its not a rational, reasonable stance. You've been taken in by it though; fair enough, but that would seem to require being oddly gullible. Do you disagree? Fine. Why, though? Why is it that you think her behaviour, namely pulling straight out into occupied road space in a way that caused alarm/danger to a cyclist, was okay?

 

[mickle]

oooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo! Get her!

 

[tdr1nka]

Calm, hmmmm?
It's more like cold and unyealding from where I'm sitting.

To finally assert my feelings on the subject as I see it;
The cyclist was most probably at fault as busses do generally have the right of way.

Above knowing why or how the cyclist came to be level with the back wheel of the bus(which is in the first quater of a bus length and I would see as a reckless position from which to overtake any vehicle)we have only supposition in order to make further opinion, this is a luxury I feel you have abused.
And why not, it makes for great conjecture and good old fashioned doggerel!

Hand me my mead my man for I'm off to rebuke them curs in the pillory!!

T x

 

[Rhythm Thief]

Starting to overtake an indicating bus is ridiculous behavior, especially from a cyclist. Think what your position would be if a car driver was to come on here and say "I was going too fast to slow down in time to allow the bus to pull out (as per Highway Code rule whatever-it-is)".

 

[Brock]

Do I really need to point out again that we should be discussing the driver's behavior upon noticing the cyclist? It doesn't really matter if the cyclist parachuted in from a passing stealth bomber. Just because the cyclist presumably didn't take a visible line previous to starting an overtaking maneuver (presumably because she came from the side road a few yards behind the bus stop) doesn't mean the driver has any right to drive badly once she's noticed the cyclist.

I am NOT defending the cyclist, nor am I condemning them, they aren't here to defend themselves and Nethalus asked about her own conduct.

Is it foolish to pass an indicating bus? That's my decision when I'm in the position. I did just that twice at the weekend, the bus driver correctly waited for me to pass on both occasions. I would not expect a driver to notice me overtaking and then accelerate off, effectively undertaking me.

Cab IS right, except the irrational stuff about how Nethalus shouldn't be on the road etc.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, for pitys sake shut up and leave the nice lady bus driver alone now!

Careful.. It's all too easy for people to shout sexism these days.

 

[Cab]

Calm, hmmmm?
It's more like cold and unyealding from where I'm sitting.

To finally assert my feelings on the subject as I see it;
The cyclist was most probably at fault as busses do generally have the right of way.

Wrong. You're not absolutely required to let a bus out, you're required to do so if it is possible. That means its your call to decide whether or not it is safe, and you've got all sorts of reasons why in any given instance you may choose not to do so.

The cyclist in this instance chose not to do so, and its his call. Thats the law.

Above knowing why or how the cyclist came to be level with the back wheel of the bus(which is in the first quater of a bus length and I would see as a reckless position from which to overtake any vehicle)we have only supposition in order to make further opinion, this is a luxury I feel you have abused.
And why not, it makes for great conjecture and good old fashioned doggerel!

Hand me my mead my man for I'm off to rebuke them curs in the pillory!!

T x

Errm, no, I've based my argument on what Nethalus actually said. Nethalus illegally and dangerously moved out into occupied road space, it doesn't matter why the cyclist was there or whether the cyclist had made a mistake or not.

 

[Cab]

Starting to overtake an indicating bus is ridiculous behavior, especially from a cyclist. Think what your position would be if a car driver was to come on here and say "I was going too fast to slow down in time to allow the bus to pull out (as per Highway Code rule whatever-it-is)".

All depends really. However fast you're going, you could be cycling along at walking speed and the bus could still start indicating too close in front of you for you to be able to safely stop. If you can safely let a bus out then clearly you should, but thats your decision to make, no one elses.

 

[gambatte]

As I see it, the cycle wasn’t visible, the bus started to move (after doing a mirror, signal, manouvre).

The cyclist made a decision to overtake and placed themselves in a position where they could be seen.

At this point, considering the type of stop, the time it would take for a cyclist to overtake etc. nothing would have been gained by the bus stopping (note Nethalus doesn’t say she accelerated either) There was no other traffic present to form dangers to the cyclist (lights at red)

But then, we've said this before....

 

[Cab]

Cab IS right, except the irrational stuff about how Nethalus shouldn't be on the road etc.

I dunno, I guess I just feel that people who can't see that they've made a mistake that could endanger others and then deal with that reasonably have no business being in control of any vehicle. Admittedly that would mean that something like a third of all road users would be out of action...

 

[gambatte]

Nethalus illegally and dangerously moved out into occupied road space, it doesn't matter why the cyclist was there or whether the cyclist had made a mistake or not.

Nope, she said she'd carried out the M/S/M, moving forward, not out. Can't say it was illegal as theres nowhere near enough evidence of that.

 

[Cab]

Nope, she said she'd carried out the M/S/M, moving forward, not out. Can't say it was illegal as theres nowhere near enough evidence of that.

She disn't notice the cyclist; whether she just didn't see it or whether the cyclist wasn't visible, to move out into traffic and force any other vehicle to stop or swerve suddenly is a mistake. When you've made such a mistake you've then got a choice, and unless its unsafe to do so the right choice is to let the other vehicle go before moving out. Whether or not the cyclist should have been passign the bus (his call, not the bus drivers, as to whether thats safe) its the duty of the person pulling out to do so safely or not at all.