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midlandsgrimpeur

Senior Member
I did have some chips and cheese from a kebab van a couple of nights ago - which tbh didn't really taste like food at all and retrospectively I think will be the last of that muck I ever consume.

I think tastes definitely change once you get weaned off this stuff. I am mainly vegetarian now (just easier for meal planning as the wife is veggie). I cook 90% of meals from fresh and have only eaten fast food once in probably 3 or 4 years. Earlier this year I had a McDonald's burger to remind myself of what I wasn't missing. It really was absolute garbage, synthetic tasting rubbish. I know it is hugely popular and I know millions (billions?) of people love this stuff but I just cannot work out why. I made a lentil and mushroom based ragu yesterday and served it with pappardelle. It was really tasty, far more nutritious and far cheaper than a fast food meal, there is just no comparison. My rant is not having a go at you for eating chips by the way, but an acknowledgement that it is muck, as you say!
 

Electric_Andy

Heavy Metal Fan
Location
Plymouth
I did have some chips and cheese from a kebab van a couple of nights ago
Both chip quality and kebab quality have gone off a cliff since I was 18. It's not just nostalgia, they really are all bad around here. With chips I think they cut corners with changing the oil as it's one of the overheads that have rapidly risen in cost. With the kebabs, the processed donner meat has gone from naughty but tasty, to practically soggy plastic. Salad consists of a whole onion (the cheapest salad item), a slice of tomatoe if you're lucky, and a some old haggared lettuce. Luckily it has cured my craving for such things!
 

wafter

I like steel bikes and I cannot lie..
Location
Oxford
Good point about the rice cakes and marmalade, I find if I don't have carbs then I'm hungry. I use dairy free spread because I'm dairy intolerant. Marmalade is quicker than bacon which would otherwise be my preference! But basically home life and laziness has made me greedy and reinforced old bad eating habits.
Cheers - glad it was taken in the way it was intended rather than a criticism. I'm constantly fighting the same battle so have at least got to understand my enemy, even if it can't always be defeated. I find I can stick to a good quality low-carb diet as long as life's otherwise OK... as soon as I'm stressed it all starts to fall apart.

If you can cut out the high-GI stuff / as much carbohydrate as possible that should reduce the hunger - protein is filling and over time your stomach shrinks so reduces your desire to eat as frequently / as much. Of course that helps with proper hunger and not emotionally driven / reward-seeking eating. I've had times in the past when I've loaded up on crisps and chocolate to the point where my stomach physically hurts and I'm still pushing it down my face like a junkie.

It really is the carbs driving the uncontrollable cravings - for much of my life I've swung from one carb-heavy-hit to another; carb-dominated meals, toast, crisps and chocolate in between while nothing of any nutritional value / actual flavour touched the sides. Equally when I've put my mind to it (because that "jesus, you fat b*stard" switch has been flicked) I've done months of effectively zero carbs and numerous fasts; the longests being eight days.

Of course not all carbs are the enemy - despite what the keto hardcore will argue we need the energy to fuel cognition (some claim better mental clarity off carbs but I've never found this personally although I did bizarrely become hyper-productive at the end of the longest fast).

You'll also never build muscle if not running an energy surplus as I've definitely found despite trying; but of course that's less of a problem if you're chasing weight loss.

Anyway.. good luck with it all :smile:


I think tastes definitely change once you get weaned off this stuff. I am mainly vegetarian now (just easier for meal planning as the wife is veggie). I cook 90% of meals from fresh and have only eaten fast food once in probably 3 or 4 years. Earlier this year I had a McDonald's burger to remind myself of what I wasn't missing. It really was absolute garbage, synthetic tasting rubbish. I know it is hugely popular and I know millions (billions?) of people love this stuff but I just cannot work out why. I made a lentil and mushroom based ragu yesterday and served it with pappardelle. It was really tasty, far more nutritious and far cheaper than a fast food meal, there is just no comparison. My rant is not having a go at you for eating chips by the way, but an acknowledgement that it is muck, as you say!
Absolutely and great work!

I envy your ability to cook proper food for yourself - unfortunately I struggle with the necessary skill / planning / commitment to cook from scratch; the best it gets round here is stuff assembled from decent quality stuff in packets.

Thankfully I've been off the really dirty / corporate muck for decades and can't remember the last time I bought any high-street dirt.

I think a lot of it is driven by short term versus long term gratification and the fact that physiologically our reward system prioritises shorter-term requirements - i.e. energy. It's an easy mechanism for marketing to exploit, while society normalises it and it's often linked to povery too - driven by lack of access to / lack of money for anything better or insufficient education to critically evaluate what you're eating..


Both chip quality and kebab quality have gone off a cliff since I was 18. It's not just nostalgia, they really are all bad around here. With chips I think they cut corners with changing the oil as it's one of the overheads that have rapidly risen in cost. With the kebabs, the processed donner meat has gone from naughty but tasty, to practically soggy plastic. Salad consists of a whole onion (the cheapest salad item), a slice of tomatoe if you're lucky, and a some old haggared lettuce. Luckily it has cured my craving for such things!
That's interesting - I didn't notice much difference in the chips, but as we waited for our chips my mate did comment that the slowly-rotating elephant's leg looked especially nauseating. I'd expect that the already sketchy meat products might have bourne the brunt of cost cutting...

Other than the ethical angle it doesn't bother me as I've never partaken in shavings from the flesh turret and as you say if it puts you off an existing habit it's probably not a bad thing :tongue:
 

Electric_Andy

Heavy Metal Fan
Location
Plymouth
Cheers - glad it was taken in the way it was intended rather than a criticism. I'm constantly fighting the same battle so have at least got to understand my enemy, even if it can't always be defeated. I find I can stick to a good quality low-carb diet as long as life's otherwise OK... as soon as I'm stressed it all starts to fall apart.

If you can cut out the high-GI stuff / as much carbohydrate as possible that should reduce the hunger - protein is filling and over time your stomach shrinks so reduces your desire to eat as frequently / as much. Of course that helps with proper hunger and not emotionally driven / reward-seeking eating. I've had times in the past when I've loaded up on crisps and chocolate to the point where my stomach physically hurts and I'm still pushing it down my face like a junkie.

It really is the carbs driving the uncontrollable cravings - for much of my life I've swung from one carb-heavy-hit to another; carb-dominated meals, toast, crisps and chocolate in between while nothing of any nutritional value / actual flavour touched the sides. Equally when I've put my mind to it (because that "jesus, you fat b*stard" switch has been flicked) I've done months of effectively zero carbs and numerous fasts; the longests being eight days.

Of course not all carbs are the enemy - despite what the keto hardcore will argue we need the energy to fuel cognition (some claim better mental clarity off carbs but I've never found this personally although I did bizarrely become hyper-productive at the end of the longest fast).

You'll also never build muscle if not running an energy surplus as I've definitely found despite trying; but of course that's less of a problem if you're chasing weight loss.

Anyway.. good luck with it all :smile:



Absolutely and great work!

I envy your ability to cook proper food for yourself - unfortunately I struggle with the necessary skill / planning / commitment to cook from scratch; the best it gets round here is stuff assembled from decent quality stuff in packets.

Thankfully I've been off the really dirty / corporate muck for decades and can't remember the last time I bought any high-street dirt.

I think a lot of it is driven by short term versus long term gratification and the fact that physiologically our reward system prioritises shorter-term requirements - i.e. energy. It's an easy mechanism for marketing to exploit, while society normalises it and it's often linked to povery too - driven by lack of access to / lack of money for anything better or insufficient education to critically evaluate what you're eating..



That's interesting - I didn't notice much difference in the chips, but as we waited for our chips my mate did comment that the slowly-rotating elephant's leg looked especially nauseating. I'd expect that the already sketchy meat products might have bourne the brunt of cost cutting...

Other than the ethical angle it doesn't bother me as I've never partaken in shavings from the flesh turret and as you say if it puts you off an existing habit it's probably not a bad thing :tongue:

Yep, I've done keto twice and lost 2 stone each time. The 3rd time I tried it, it was so much harder. I felt physically ill and drained, so I gave up
 

wafter

I like steel bikes and I cannot lie..
Location
Oxford
Yep, I've done keto twice and lost 2 stone each time. The 3rd time I tried it, it was so much harder. I felt physically ill and drained, so I gave up

Good work :becool:

Certainly I've found that it doesn't always stick (probably half of my attempts die on their arses within a week) but it remains the only thing that's worked for me. How have you found alternatives by comparison?
 

Electric_Andy

Heavy Metal Fan
Location
Plymouth
Good work :becool:

Certainly I've found that it doesn't always stick (probably half of my attempts die on their arses within a week) but it remains the only thing that's worked for me. How have you found alternatives by comparison?

Keto was easy first time but got harder every subsequent try. Other diet has only been low fat/low calorie. But any diet is doable if you're mentally strong, which I'm not anymore
 

wafter

I like steel bikes and I cannot lie..
Location
Oxford
Keto was easy first time but got harder every subsequent try. Other diet has only been low fat/low calorie. But any diet is doable if you're mentally strong, which I'm not anymore

Same... which is why I like low carb as once you're on the wagon it makes managing hunger so much easier; rather than trying to restrict intake whilst being constantly hungry (and weak in the face of it).

Did you find the other diets as effective as keto?
 

Drago

Legendary Member
I think tastes definitely change once you get weaned off this stuff. I am mainly vegetarian now (just easier for meal planning as the wife is veggie). I cook 90% of meals from fresh and have only eaten fast food once in probably 3 or 4 years. Earlier this year I had a McDonald's burger to remind myself of what I wasn't missing. It really was absolute garbage, synthetic tasting rubbish. I know it is hugely popular and I know millions (billions?) of people love this stuff but I just cannot work out why. I made a lentil and mushroom based ragu yesterday and served it with pappardelle. It was really tasty, far more nutritious and far cheaper than a fast food meal, there is just no comparison. My rant is not having a go at you for eating chips by the way, but an acknowledgement that it is muck, as you say!

I agree. They taste foul, and 3 minutes later youre hungry again.
 

midlandsgrimpeur

Senior Member
I agree. They taste foul, and 3 minutes later youre hungry again.

I think that is why people that eat it regularly often struggle with their weight, it doesn't sate your appetite and you end up eating more as a result.
 
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