martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
If there's an injury which I imagine there would be unless the car literally just touches your back wheel, then yes police involved.
Went through a solid amber this morning (RLJ)
- Thread starter Melonfish
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Melonfish
Evil Genius in training.
- Location
- Warrington, UK
aye the road surface there is like that of a small moon (that's no moon), i don't like using the path at this junction because its very narrow and difficult to see round the corners. plus it slows me down.
tbh thats the second incident at this junction i've had in the last few months.
meh.
the car was really riding my mudguard and i do honestly believe that if i'd have braked they would have hit me, no question. the fact that they went through behind me just re-enforced that.
otherwise i never go through red/orange lights, no point i enjoy living.
tbh thats the second incident at this junction i've had in the last few months.
meh.
the car was really riding my mudguard and i do honestly believe that if i'd have braked they would have hit me, no question. the fact that they went through behind me just re-enforced that.
otherwise i never go through red/orange lights, no point i enjoy living.
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
It's not a very good point going by the examples I've seen posted on cycling forums. Sure, the majority will stop most of the time, but I put to you that there is considerably more risk of being rear-ended when a driver is tailgating you already.
Arjimlad
Tights of Cydonia
- Location
- South Glos
Following through is a big problem when you are commando under your cycle shorts.
Sorry...
Sorry...
martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
Mikey, in all my time of stopping at traffic lights I've only had the one instance where the car behind me didn't stop and he then accelerated around me. And as people know I'm a bit of a stickler for stopping at lights.
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
Well, many of us have had far more experience of people behind us not stopping, swerving around, or having otherwise close calls. Point is, your view here is wrong. It's an amber light, and as much as we all want to stop for it, sometimes it's not safe to do so, and that's perfectly legal.
martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
Mikey, when did I say it was illegal.? I just said it was the call of the person involved but that I tend to stop.
It does beg the question as to why my experiences are so different though particularly with over 15 years of commuting into Central London
It does beg the question as to why my experiences are so different though particularly with over 15 years of commuting into Central London
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
I suspect most of us tend to stop for amber lights in much the same way as you do, and thanks to our negative experiences just have a slightly more careful eye on following vehicles for the rare occasion one gets dangerously close.
As an experienced cyclist, I would expect you to realise that road events can be spread quite randomly, and that you might just have been lucky with no-one coming close to your rear in that time. I'd also expect you to at least give some credence to the number of forum reports of near and actual rear-endings at junctions, rather than being dismissive of people taking charge of their own safety quite legally, or even implying that your principles and riding ability are superior since you've never had such an incident.
Back in Africa I recall braking for one particular red light on my motorcycle, watching the car behind me lock up, and modulating my braking into the intersection to avoid being taken out. Good thing too, as they came to a smoking halt half a car length past where I would have stopped had I not been paying attention.
As an experienced cyclist, I would expect you to realise that road events can be spread quite randomly, and that you might just have been lucky with no-one coming close to your rear in that time. I'd also expect you to at least give some credence to the number of forum reports of near and actual rear-endings at junctions, rather than being dismissive of people taking charge of their own safety quite legally, or even implying that your principles and riding ability are superior since you've never had such an incident.
Back in Africa I recall braking for one particular red light on my motorcycle, watching the car behind me lock up, and modulating my braking into the intersection to avoid being taken out. Good thing too, as they came to a smoking halt half a car length past where I would have stopped had I not been paying attention.
martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
There are very few incidences of actual rear endings on this forum from what I've read. A "near" rear ending is open to so much interpretation as to be meaningless, you only need to look at what qualifies as a close overtake on some of the camera footage posted on Cyclechat to see that perception differs wildly.
I've not been dismissive at all. All I said was below.
I've not been dismissive at all. All I said was below.
and to give my experiences in the same way as I give my opinion on the near misses in camera footage.
martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
It's very nice of you to say so!
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
My point being that your advice is both wrong and dangerous, as well as not being grounded in reality. You're telling people to stop regardless and put themselves at risk, when the reality is good two wheelers will not always do so because the risk is real, and they are trained not to.
martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
martint235 said: ↑
Your call. If you feel unsafe e stopping then do what you need to.
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This ^^^^^^^ says what it says on the tin. Your call. At what point does that statement say "Stop regardless"
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This ^^^^^^^ says what it says on the tin. Your call. At what point does that statement say "Stop regardless"
martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
I love him really!!BentMikey said: ↑
martint235 said: ↑
Come on you two get on with some work or get a room, it`s Friday & the weekend is coming
Don't think I'd like to get a room with him though!!!And Mikey, seriously if anyone bases their decisions on safety on what I do or don't do we should really take their bike off them and throw it in a skip. Everyone is ultimately responsible for their own safety and for making their own decisions.
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
Well, that's the funny thing about forums and YouTube. People do come on here and learn stuff, and a small proportion of them make comments about having done so.
