What a Sad Story

[theclaud]

The biological parents rights were removed wrongly. In my mind it should be treated like theft, just because you bought it in good faith doesn't mean you own it.
These children should be returned to their real parents.

'It' is a child. No one owns it.

 

[jefmcg]

And your statement (below) to ever happen couldn't be any worse for confusing a very young child's mind.

Children can cope with parents, step-parents, ex-step-parents, step-siblings, grandparents, step grandparents,great grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, great uncles, great aunts. I don't see that 2 more relatives should be confusing to them if it is handled well.

To the adults, sure, but that's just because it's not what they grew up with. Relinquishing parents keep contact with their children in many countries, it's just not the custom here.

 

[Smurfy]

Lot of rubbish being spouted on this thread by people who haven't experienced the routinely appalling way social services and the courts operate.

Edit:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...on-orders-to-meet-adoption-quotas-394647.html

 

[Milkfloat]

Simple solution is to just switch the story to say that the reason the child was taken away was neglect, proven by the rickets.
I really don't see a simple solution to this and the authorities seemed damned if try do and damned if the do. All it all an incredibly sad story.

 

[vernon]

Children can cope with parents, step-parents, ex-step-parents, step-siblings, grandparents, step grandparents,great grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, great uncles, great aunts. I don't see that 2 more relatives should be confusing to them if it is handled well.

To the adults, sure, but that's just because it's not what they grew up with. Relinquishing parents keep contact with their children in many countries, it's just not the custom here.

Clearly you don't work with children who have turbulent domestic arrangements. I do. Not all of them cope with a plethora of ancilliary relatives. A lot of them underachieve at school and many of them go on to have unstable relationships of their own. Yes, the majority of children cope with parents and step parents and when it works well it is truly a wonderful thing and mostly it does work but there's a disproportionate number of children who's life chances have been blighted by poor quality parenting, social work and tensions with the extended step-family.

 

[sight-pin]

Children can cope with parents, step-parents, ex-step-parents, step-siblings, grandparents, step grandparents,great grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, great uncles, great aunts. I don't see that 2 more relatives should be confusing to them if it is handled well.

To the adults, sure, but that's just because it's not what they grew up with. Relinquishing parents keep contact with their children in many countries, it's just not the custom here.

So what does the child call their real parents? ....Aunt/uncle?....perhaps by their first names?. It wouldn't be allowed and rightly so imo. I couldn't think of any thing more heartbreaking to be honest!

 

[cd365]

'It' is a child. No one owns it.

I was referring to stolen goods not the child.

 

[theclaud]

I was referring to stolen goods not the child.

Which have what to do with this case?

 

[ScotiaLass]

Haven't listened to the whole program, but even on the bare facts, I feel the services acted in the best interest of the child. Everyone's interest is secondary to the child's. Obviously the child had to be removed from the parents, we don't need any more Baby Ps. As it took 3 years to resolve in court, even with hindsight it is better that the child was part of a real family, rather than enduring foster care for the most important 3 years of its life. And now the child knows those people as its family, tearing him/her away from them would be very cruel. Unjust as it is, the biological parents are just strangers now.

I wonder why some sort of open adoption arrangement isn't possible. The biological parents could get to know their kid and spend time together, while staying part of the only family he/she knows. Four people (at least) love this child; it could only benefit him/her to know them all.

(if anyone knows the gender of the child, please let me know. I've twisted myself around with prepositions above )

Baby P was a horrific case but the agencies now act OTT incase of another 'Baby P' situation. No-one wants a child abused, but what about the innocents? Believe me, there are plenty, you only have to look at the past case(s) in the Orkneys!

All these agencies act to save themselves from being sued in the first instance, if you ask me.
Do I sound bitter? it's probably because I am - currently finding myself in a situation involving such agencies.
For legal reasons I can't say any more, but trust me when I say, it's horrendous and stressful.

 

[winjim]

Everyone's interest is secondary to the child's. Obviously the child had to be removed from the parents, we don't need any more Baby Ps. As it took 3 years to resolve in court, even with hindsight it is better that the child was part of a real family, rather than enduring foster care for the most important 3 years of its life.

We don't want another Baby P, but neither do we want another Sally Clark.

Baby P was a horrific case but the agencies now act OTT incase of another 'Baby P' situation. No-one wants a child abused, but what about the innocents?

If the case is referred to the correct specialists, they will do all they can to determine that the child has not been abused and to show that there may be an alternative diagnosis. The key is getting the correct specialists involved at an early enough stage. It should not have taken three years .

 

[Arrowfoot]

• It took them 3 years to figure out that it was a misdiagnosis involving a baby abuse case!!
• And the natural parents are initiating legal action to recover their child after it was concluded that it was a misdiagnosis.!!
• And we are worried about the feeling of the adoptive parents.!!

If I was the adoptive parent and was told of the outcome and what actually transpired I would immediately meet with the biological parents and work out the best way to return the child that would best serve the needs of the biological parents and the child. It will certainly crush me and my family to return the child who for 3 years was my child and one of us. The only consolation is the memories of 3 years spent raising the child and the satisfaction that I did what was right for the 3 of them.

If I waited for the State and the wheels of justice to crank up, Jeremy Corbyn will probably have married wife no. 4. And his romances are never whirlwind but are long drawn affairs. And I not even counting time spent with Miss Abbott.

 

[vernon]

We don't want another Baby P, but neither do we want another Sally Clark.

If the case is referred to the correct specialists, they will do all they can to determine that the child has not been abused and to show that there may be an alternative diagnosis. The key is getting the correct specialists involved at an early enough stage. It should not have taken three years .

Even with specialists involved things can go badly wrong. Specialists are not infallable.

Read this salutary tale of the Cleveland Sex Abuse scandal from the late eighties.

 

[Sara_H]

Point of accuracy. The bones were not fractured. They appeared to be fractured in the mis-diagnosis.

There were also other unexplained injuries as I understand it. The decision to remove the child wasn't taken on the evidence of the misdiagnosed fractures alone.

 

[vernon]

There were also other unexplained injuries as I understand it. The decision to remove the child wasn't taken on the evidence of the misdiagnosed fractures alone.

I was referring solely to the bones and the inaccuracy of the citing of their brakage.

 

[Sara_H]

I was referring solely to the bones and the inaccuracy of the citing of their brakage.

But in dealing with this and any other child protection case, decisions can't be focused on one single issue. A whole host of information comes into play.

I haven't really looked toodeeply into the press reports of this case, because experience would suggest that reporting is unlikely to be balanced. But the opening lines of the link in the OP state that the baby was brought to medics attention due to bleeding in the mouth and bruising.
How does such a young baby sustain those injuries?