Drago
Legendary Member
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- Suburban Poshshire
Yet still less likely to kill you than sitting on the sofa watching telly.
What a tragedy.
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fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
I've done Snowdon in the middle of the night, but not in bad weather. We got to the top for sunrise, but the clouds very quickly came in so we came back down. It was lovely down in Llanberis, but we saw many people heading up in trainers, shorts and t-shirts - the weather was very different (we all had waterproofs, walking shoes/trousers and technical clothing). Plenty of influencers walking the hills in what can be described as 'hot pants' - idiots.
classic33
Leg End Member
Echoes of the "Stardust" fire in Ireland.
Issue is though if you are unprepared - like in latest incident apparently - then suddenly going into cold water and most likely still clothed to save someone will almost certainly result in cold shock effect and then weight of clothing plus surf a deadly combination. I'd estimate the sea temperature on east coast around 5-6C which is really cold.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
The guide, very experienced climber and highly qualified was also a member of Lochaber MRT. AFAIK the enquiry exonerated him.
I have climbed on the north face of Ben Nevis with him around 25 years ago. Smashing guy and very competent.
The mountain incident was on Aonoch Mor and the accident was in the corrie below the Lemming Ridge. Very sad and the survivors were extremely lucky.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
It is about 5-6c - my wife has been in the sea a few times in Wales over Christmas. The local water Park is equally cold. Thing is, they are experienced, and know when to get out - they are in maybe 10-15 minutes maximum at this time of year (swim suits), and have the warm gear ready to get changed into. I'd never do it, I don't do cold water - I'll go for a dip in summer when it's nearer 18-20c.
TBH its also easy to get in trouble on the bike in cold weather. I got very cold, very quickly, when I came off on ice and broke my pelvis. I got my waterproof on quick to retain some heat whilst I waited for a lift to hospital.
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
Yep, cold water shock is an involuntarily response, the poor feller would likely have been incapacitated in seconds.
The media, ill informed at the best of times, keep referring to the ongoing effort as a "search and rescue" operation. Its a recovery effort, as sad as it is to acknowledge that, with the added benefit of being also being treated as a good training opportunity.
craigwend
Grimpeur des terrains plats
DRM
Guru
- Location
- West Yorks
Yes, because for the Scout Association there is a Hill Walking Training Course, that gets you an Adventurous Activities Permit, there are 4 levels for hill walking, Level 1 Summer, Level 1 Winter, Level 2 Summer, Level 2 Winter, the thing we were told was that it doesn't mean summer & winter as seasons, but Weather conditions, ie, you could be in shorts & T-Shirts lower down, but wind, rain & blizzards can, and does happen in the blink of an eye in the hills, also there are 3 levels of adventurous activity permit, personal (means you can go out with others similarly qualified) Leader (You can lead a group but have to stay with them) Supervisory (to remotely monitor groups), I think it's no more than 3km distance on foot, with provision put in place for suitable communications, i.e mobiles probably won't work in remote places, so probably some kind of 2 way radio set up.
Edit: at 28 & 29 years old they WERE NOT Venture Scouts, they were too old, they would have been Leaders, Ventures is 14 to 18 years old
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Mad Doug Biker
Banned from every bar in the Galaxy
- Location
- Craggy Island
It seems that most were teens/kids. The bar apparently served underage people all the time, so a bunch of pished teenagers? They probably didn't realise how much danger they were in and I did see video of people trying to extinguish it.
Kids who probably didn't know any better? Yeah, classy...
'Course you would, hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it? It's easy to say these things afterwards 🤷♂️🤦♂️
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Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
I've been in buildings on fire three times, thank you very much. Once because a ceiling fan started a fire in the adjutants block while I was in there, once with another bobby to look for sleeping residents and once to help another bobby drag a chap out.
Hindsight be damned - first opportunity I was out of each one on the double. I didn't stop to gawp, gossip or scratch my arse.
Hindsight be damned - first opportunity I was out of each one on the double. I didn't stop to gawp, gossip or scratch my arse.
Mad Doug Biker
Banned from every bar in the Galaxy
- Location
- Craggy Island
@Drago That aside, the thing about the teens/kids, I mean, that raises so many other questions right there.
And yes, yes, I know teens will always be teens and so on, but from what I can gather, the bar seemed to encourage it and were not as professional as they should have been.
That along with the fireworks and so on... As far as I can tell, the only 'prats' were the owners and staff, not the teens who were probably utterly pished or whatever anyway. 🤷♂️
And yes, yes, I know teens will always be teens and so on, but from what I can gather, the bar seemed to encourage it and were not as professional as they should have been.
That along with the fireworks and so on... As far as I can tell, the only 'prats' were the owners and staff, not the teens who were probably utterly pished or whatever anyway. 🤷♂️
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The bar was in the basement so that made it even worse to exit, lots were hampered by crush trying to escape once they realised the severity of situation. Add in alcohol, teenagers and a party atmosphere and it was a tragic combination.
Obviously as adults we see footage shown on news of fire starting and it being filmed and think why on earth don't they just get out immediately but I don't think any realised situation until too late.
Obviously as adults we see footage shown on news of fire starting and it being filmed and think why on earth don't they just get out immediately but I don't think any realised situation until too late.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
Fire spreads *far* more rapidly than anyone ever expects.
We used to use the Bradford city disaster as part of work fire training. The video is sobering; the time from the first smoke being visible to the entire stand engulfed is about 90 seconds.
Leave immediately you see evidence of fire or hear an alarm. Never, ever try to fight a fire unless you're trained and absolutely certain you have an immediate exit available.
