What a tragedy.

[craigwend]

Following reports of concerns for safety for people in the water in Withernsea, with the permission of the family, Humberside Police can now confirm that a mother and daughter, 45-year-old Sarah Keeling and 15-year-old Grace Keeling, were involved in this tragic incident, alongside 67-year-old Mark Ratcliffe, a member of the public who died trying to assist with the rescue.

The bodies of Sarah Keeling and Mark Ratcliffe were recovered on the evening of Friday, 2 January 2026. Searches are still ongoing to locate Grace.

Both families continue to be supported by specially trained officers.

And

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy05lkr9pzjo

 

[Accy cyclist]

Do any of you remember this tragic episode?
https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/blackpool-sea-tragedy-40-years-17583350 I remember first hearing of it while listening to Radio Lancashire on the day it happened. I always thought that the only survivor was the Jack Russell, but no, on reading the above, the dog, its owner and three police died that day! I've just looked at the date of the incident to find it's the 43rd anniversary tomorrow, as I post.

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DLmdMX3jf/

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

This film was being made by a reporter as part of a story on nightclub safety, I've watched and read about this fire a few times.

Ah, ok.

It's given me second thoughts about entering any basement bar at all.

Me too!

The filming in the Swiss bar, I've read that when you are filming and viewing an event you have a sense of detachment and even protection as you are not directly viewing events. That makes sense to me.

I was saying before about learning to keep your nerve as long as possible, but you also need to take into consideration possible escape routes at any time. It's easy to get mesmerised as it were, with the effect you mention, the

'It can't really happen to me!'

Type of thing.
You need to avoid that.

At the other end of the scale though, there's also the thing where if you are working in a dangerous situation, or one where things become dangerous, you stay as long as possible, even if you know it might harm you or even kill you. It's not being mesmerised, you know the situation, but you keep going anyway as you realise that your images or footage might come in handy after the event or, you realise, you are simply stuck, you might not get out and you just hope that your camera and images will be found afterwards.
Of course, this is largely people doing photography as a job stuff, not just an amatuer.

 

[Sharky]

Thoughts go back to the Cavern club. Was too young to go to the original, but have been to the replica. Just think what might be if such a tragedy had happened there. Music we grew up with would have been completely different.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

It gets worse for the managers... Pimping, fraud, kidnap... And the female manger has relatives and connections to firefighters too? F**k me!:

https://apple.news/AmR105NTWS-GkCVbFyhAyzA

As I said originally, I think they will up for the high - jump and no mistake!

 

[Drago]

A night club owner who's a bit of a bad 'un? Surely not!

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

A night club owner who's a bit of a bad 'un? Surely not!

Is it an actual requirement for the job? 😆

 

[Beebo]

A night club owner who's a bit of a bad 'un? Surely not!

I once had to do an insurance claim for a strip club which mysteriously burned down. Unsurprisingly it wasn’t paid out.

I would expect any strip club to be completely uninsurable due to the nature of the business owners being 100% dodgy.

 

[Vapin' Joe]

A friend of mine managed nightclubs for Whitbread back in the eighties. He started off on the door and when they needed a new manager he got the job because he was the only one there who didn't have a criminal record.

 

[Reynard]

When I was a photographer, umpteen years ago now, you were... Ok, not so much trained..., But it was impressed on you to keep your nerve for as long as possible if something happened.

This was SLR still photography stuff though, not videos, so your 'nerve' could be pretty short lived anyway! 😆

Many of the great and famous pictures of the 20th century were such examples of this or even photographers realising they already might not survive, but decide to keep recording for posterity anyway - The camera and film come before the photographer, always! 😆

In the Swiss case, I just expect people didn't realize the severity of the situation until it was too late though.

I was a pro motorsport photographer for a decade. Basically, you didn't stand and shoot in a place where you didn't have an escape route or something really solid to duck behind (concrete wall, marshal's post). I've had to drop my gear and run a few times, and once I got rugby-tackled by a marshal who spotted the out-of-control Porsche long before I did.

A lot of the places where I used to shoot are now off-limits for safety.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

I was a pro motorsport photographer for a decade. Basically, you didn't stand and shoot in a place where you didn't have an escape route or something really solid to duck behind (concrete wall, marshal's post). I've had to drop my gear and run a few times, and once I got rugby-tackled by a marshal who spotted the out-of-control Porsche long before I did.

A lot of the places where I used to shoot are now off-limits for safety.

Yes I touched on the safety thing in my later message above - You wouldn't deliberately put yourself in danger without a way to escape.

That is in a perfect world though, as, as we all know, circumstances can suddenly change and you are not so lucky! 🤣

 

[Reynard]

Yes I touched on the safety thing in my later message above - You wouldn't deliberately put yourself in danger without a way to escape.

That is in a perfect world though, as, as we all know, circumstances can suddenly change and you are not so lucky! 🤣

They changed the rules a few years ago after a marshal was killed at Brands Hatch (top of Paddock Hill bend) after a car barrel rolled, vaulted the safety fencing and demolished the marshals post.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

Turns out that yes, people didn't realise how serious it was and that some even thought it was some sort of joke or stunt - The amount of fireworks and so on that they did, had clearly created a complacency and/or an environment where people were no longer sure what they were actually looking at, hence they just filmed it. So no, not idiots or anything else stupid you said @Drago, just young (and probably drunk) people, unsure if it was part of the 'show' or whatever... 🙄

How sad:

https://apple.news/AWGdiV-l1QjCRL-xV22IXcg

Imagine being the member of staff who accidentally started it all, too? 😱

 

[Dogtrousers]

When I was a teenager I went hill walking in Wales in the winter. There were responsible (presumably qualified) adults and we had training in the use of ice axes. Memory is all a bit hazy.

Anyway, I fell and started sliding so I did an arrest or whatever it's called with the axe and got back to the other people who were moving in steps cut in the snow/ice. I've no idea how far I would have gone. Maybe it was utterly innocuous, maybe I'd have gone over a cliff. It shook me up a lot and once we got back I sat out the rest of the activities.

Since then I've never done any activity where such precautions are considered necessary. Not for me. I'll stay at home thanks.

 

[fossyant]

It does appear that night club was mainly full of underage kids - this would also explain the lack or urgency to get out and 'film' instead. Tragic.