What's up with Jaguar/Land Rover?

[Drago]

They haven't produced their own engines for years. Their range is a mix of Peugeot/Ford and BMW engines.

Thats incorrect I'm afraid. You're 5 years behind the times. They spent a fortune developing the new Ingenium diesels from a blank sheet of paper. It's a modular system, entirely all their own work (aside from units such as the turbo, which come from Mitsubishi). They are nothing whatsoever to do with any of the previous engines they've used under licence from other manufacturers.

https://media.jaguarlandrover.com/n...um-family-straight-six-cylinder-petrol-engine

"Designed and manufactured in house..."

 

[derrick]

Who in there right mind is going to buy a diesel motor today. What with the new imission laws coming in all the time. The diesel will be worth nothing in a few years time. But then you could always blame brexit. Hybrid or electric is the only way to go with new cars.

 

[Drago]

I'm surprised Hydrogen isn't catching on. Fuel cell technology is quite effective and mature now, and it eliminates range anxiety concerns in one fell swoop...or it would if anyone got behind in for the infrastructure.

 

[Jody]

You're 5 years behind the times. They spent a fortune developing the new Ingenium diesels from a blank sheet of paper. It's a modular system, entirely all their own work.

Wasn't aware of that as I don't work in the retail side of the trade anymore so don't keep up to date with whats going on. The previous 15 years were all outsourced engines.

 

[Levo-Lon]

Thats incorrect I'm afraid. You're 5 years behind the times. They spent a fortune developing the new Ingenium diesels from a blank sheet of paper. It's a modular system, entirely all their own work (aside from units such as the turbo, which come from Mitsubishi). They are nothing whatsoever to do with any of the previous engines they've used under licence from other manufacturers.

https://media.jaguarlandrover.com/n...um-family-straight-six-cylinder-petrol-engine

"Designed and manufactured in house..."

And that new engine has been a monster, blow up galore, if you must buy, buy a pre 15 plate or get a seriously good guarantee on that engine.

Son in law works for JLR main dealer parts side, he is a very busy man..

Something like 40% of their turnover is warranty claims from JLR, that's shocking

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Who in there right mind is going to buy a diesel motor today.

Anybody who wants an economic car

What with the new imission laws coming in all the time.

But that is part of the problem they say they are going to penalise diesel, but haven't really done anything about it

The diesel will be worth nothing in a few years time.

I'm not sure about that, there are too many around, lets face it they encouraged them in the 90's

Hybrid or electric is the only way to go with new cars.

Agreed, but the current pricing it way beyond the average person unless they want to go down the PCP/Lease route which is the way that the car manufactures want everybody to do.

 

[Drago]

Yeah, camshaft roller bearings. Smooth and low friction, but there's a very good reason the idea was tried and quickly discarded in the 60s and 70s.

 

[fossyant]

In a nutshell there piss poor quality
Buy if you like having a courtesy car for weeks on end

Yep, total crap, especially the Evoque.

Colleague has a leased one but also pays extra for maintenance. The car is in every month for all sorts of problems. They know the mechanics and call centre by first name terms.

Its just so unreliable.

I believe Shaun Yates in one of his books slagged off the Sky Jag team cars, they would get in them in the mornings not knowing if the cars would start.

 

[Cycleops]

This story about Doug DeMuro's own Range Rover might offer an explanation as to why JLR are in trouble. He took out a warranty on the used car which has paid out in repairs more than the car is now worth !

View: https://youtu.be/FvJCCoLoKRA

 

[fossyant]

I read a news article about a journalist trying to sell his Disco3, couldnt even get a trade in as no-one would touch it. He then bought a midfle aged used Lexus hybrid SUV.

 

[Drago]

He took out a warranty on the used car which has paid out in repairs more than the car is now worth

Hardly a sustainable business model!

A fair few dealers won't take modern Landies or Rangies as trade ins - it costs too much to prepare them to a fit state to sell, and then having sold them they're going to be back fairly quickly needing repair.

 

[Jody]

A fair few dealers won't take modern Landies or Rangies as trade ins - it costs too much to prepare them to a fit state to sell, and then having sold them they're going to be back fairly quickly needing repair.

My colleague has just agreed to buy his BIL's 06my Disco 3 TDV6 off him. Only time will tell if it was a wise decision but I think I know the answer.

 

[swee'pea99]

This story about Doug DeMuro's own Range Rover might offer an explanation as to why JLR are in trouble. He took out a warranty on the used car which has paid out in repairs more than the car is now worth !

View: https://youtu.be/FvJCCoLoKRA

That is shocking, truly shocking.

 

[Smokin Joe]

I'm not sure about that, there are too many around, lets face it they encouraged them in the 90's

Which is one of the reasons they will be worth FA in future. A market saturated with cars that nobody wants to buy...

 

[snorri]

I find it hard to believe no one is buying JLR vehicles so what is it... are they offering too many discounts?

No, it's a basic design failing, JLR designers over estimated the widths of much of the UK road network.