Which EV would you get?

[dicko]

I saw a small VW E UP! On a dealers forecourt yesterday and thought hmm nice small four door transport that would suit us. However, the road tax is £200 per year and our Ford Ka is £35 per annum. So why is that lovely small E UP! taxed so much? Surely there’s something wrong with the taxation decisions?

 

[Dadam]

I saw a small VW E UP! On a dealers forecourt yesterday and thought hmm nice small four door transport that would suit us. However, the road tax is £200 per year and our Ford Ka is £35 per annum. So why is that lovely small E UP! taxed so much? Surely there’s something wrong with the taxation decisions?

VED has moved to more flat rates.

When your Ka was new, VED rates were on CO2 emissions so your car was quite low but EVs were zero rated. Now it's changed in recognition that EVs still emit pollutants (CO2 and others during manufacture, rubber particulates from tyre wear and emissions for energy generation) and they still contribute just as much to congestion.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

VED has moved to more flat rates.

When your Ka was new, VED rates were on CO2 emissions so your car was quite low but EVs were zero rated. Now it's changed in recognition that EVs still emit pollutants (CO2 and others during manufacture, rubber particulates from tyre wear and emissions for energy generation) and they still contribute just as much to congestion.

Yep. My old Fabia was £zero VED from 2011 until last year, when it jumped to £20. My Kia Niro EV is £195.

 

[Alex321]

VED has moved to more flat rates.

When your Ka was new, VED rates were on CO2 emissions so your car was quite low but EVs were zero rated. Now it's changed in recognition that EVs still emit pollutants (CO2 and others during manufacture, rubber particulates from tyre wear and emissions for energy generation) and they still contribute just as much to congestion.

No, it has changed in recognition of the fact that the government needed more tax.

Which is also why VED has moved to more flat rates.

 

[Regular.Cyclist]

As I am now somewhat more rural I’ve been looking to change my car to something 4-wheel drive.

Went for a test drive in the Suzuki eVitara on Friday and now have a deposit down for the Ultra ALLGRIP variant.

 

[BrumJim]

Had a slight prang on my Zoe. And the insurance company has written it off! I could probably buy it back, get it repaired, and save some money, other than:
1) Rear tailgate squeaks after a rear end collision a couple of years ago.
2) Range is only 150 miles, which is a bit limiting these days.
3) Worse than that, I can only charge at 22kW AC max, which makes long journeys very long.
4) There is a strange fault where I can only add 10% to the battery on my home charger before it trips out. Other cars, same charger is fine, my car, other chargers is also fine.
5) Sat nav card annoyingly doesn't latch into the slot, and has to be held in with a wallet.

So might take advantage and get something better. Criteria is better range (certainly not worse), faster charging (all options are good), and must be able to fit the following in the boot:
1. 2 x cyclocross bikes
2. 1 set of spare wheels
3. Rollers
4. 50 litres of water (in 2 containers)
5. Jet wash and batteries
6. Track pump
7. Stand and handlebars
8. Bag of tools and spare parts
9. Trolley to carry everything except bikes

There seems to be five options at the price point:
Hyundai Kona
Vauxhall Mokka (similar to the Suzuki Cappuccino, but can be used after 11:00?)
DS 3 Crossback
Peugeot e-2008
Nissan Leaf
Another Renault Zoe.

Thoughts?

 

[icowden]

Hyundai Kona
Vauxhall Mokka (similar to the Suzuki Cappuccino, but can be used after 11:00?)
DS 3 Crossback
Peugeot e-2008
Nissan Leaf
Another Renault Zoe.

Thoughts?

Not sure what your price point is from that range.
I've just been looking at the Geely EX5 which starts at £31990 and has a decent amount of boot space with the seats down.
Absolutely loaded with tech.

There's also the Jaecoo E5 and Leapmotor B05 that might be worth a look.
Not sure why all these Chinese models are "5".

 

[BrumJim]

Not sure what your price point is from that range.
I've just been looking at the Geely EX5 which starts at £31990 and has a decent amount of boot space with the seats down.
Absolutely loaded with tech.

There's also the Jaecoo E5 and Leapmotor B05 that might be worth a look.
Not sure why all these Chinese models are "5".

Second hand - £11,000 absolute max.

 

[icowden]

Second hand - £11,000 absolute max.

Ah OK. Yeah - that's going to be a challenge.
You might want to add the MG MG5 or MG ZS to your list. They tend to have a low second hand price but are decent cars with a lot of cargo space. They also have 250 miles range (well the MG5 does). There are a few second hand Jaguar i-pace's but they tend to be very high mileage. Good amount of kit though.

I did really like the Leaf when I had one as a loaner, but the range goes to nothing very quickly if you have to use a motorway.

 

[chris-suffolk]

Yes, I know diesel is more expensive, but I'm going down to visit my mum later in the week, about 250 miles. Going cross country and not aware where there may be chargers. She lives in a tiny village without a charger in sight and I can't easily charge at the house without an extension lead down the road. I'll get there, and back, and still have 300 miles of range left - what's not to like?

 

[BrumJim]

Ah OK. Yeah - that's going to be a challenge.
You might want to add the MG MG5 or MG ZS to your list. They tend to have a low second hand price but are decent cars with a lot of cargo space. They also have 250 miles range (well the MG5 does). There are a few second hand Jaguar i-pace's but they tend to be very high mileage. Good amount of kit though.

I did really like the Leaf when I had one as a loaner, but the range goes to nothing very quickly if you have to use a motorway.

MG5 looks great, but is too long for the drive. I've not even considered the I-pace. Worried what insurance and reliability would be like. One of the options apparently has poor range in winter. Used to th Zoe's heating pump making a much smaller hole in the range.

 

[BrumJim]

Yes, I know diesel is more expensive, but I'm going down to visit my mum later in the week, about 250 miles. Going cross country and not aware where there may be chargers. She lives in a tiny village without a charger in sight and I can't easily charge at the house without an extension lead down the road. I'll get there, and back, and still have 300 miles of range left - what's not to like?

Zap-map and Co-charger are your friends.

 

[icowden]

Yes, I know diesel is more expensive, but I'm going down to visit my mum later in the week, about 250 miles. Going cross country and not aware where there may be chargers. She lives in a tiny village without a charger in sight and I can't easily charge at the house without an extension lead down the road. I'll get there, and back, and still have 300 miles of range left - what's not to like?

There is probably one close than you think. Whereabouts is the village? I've found chargers all over the place.

Supermarkets are good usually.

Also - your mum likely has a power socket somewhere. You can use a granny charger and just drip charge. It's slow, but we do that regularly with my in-laws and usually get about 50% of the range back over night.

 

[Jameshow]

Had a slight prang on my Zoe. And the insurance company has written it off! I could probably buy it back, get it repaired, and save some money, other than:
1) Rear tailgate squeaks after a rear end collision a couple of years ago.
2) Range is only 150 miles, which is a bit limiting these days.
3) Worse than that, I can only charge at 22kW AC max, which makes long journeys very long.
4) There is a strange fault where I can only add 10% to the battery on my home charger before it trips out. Other cars, same charger is fine, my car, other chargers is also fine.
5) Sat nav card annoyingly doesn't latch into the slot, and has to be held in with a wallet.

So might take advantage and get something better. Criteria is better range (certainly not worse), faster charging (all options are good), and must be able to fit the following in the boot:
1. 2 x cyclocross bikes
2. 1 set of spare wheels
3. Rollers
4. 50 litres of water (in 2 containers)
5. Jet wash and batteries
6. Track pump
7. Stand and handlebars
8. Bag of tools and spare parts
9. Trolley to carry everything except bikes

There seems to be five options at the price point:
Hyundai Kona
Vauxhall Mokka (similar to the Suzuki Cappuccino, but can be used after 11:00?)
DS 3 Crossback
Peugeot e-2008
Nissan Leaf
Another Renault Zoe.

Thoughts?

Pug Rifter or Citroen Berlingo tepee?

Boxy buses but do the job!

 

[Buck]

Not sure why all these Chinese models are "5".

It’s about size, price and quality positioning to the customer aiming to get them to link it to the BMW 5 series Audi A5 etc. and piggybacking on their marketing, desirability and perception.

The 3 would then follow the same alignment as would the 7 etc.