Which EV would you get?

[Buck]

if the numbers don't work vs a non-EV then it may be worth looking at a second hand / ex demonstrator?

I bought mine as an 11 month old and saved a lot vs new - even more than the equivalent tax benefit I could have gained.

 

[farfromtheland]

I sometimes buy the M&S blackcurrant preserve rather than the one from Aldi...My profligacy knows no bounds.

I'm a gooseberry lover.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I'm a gooseberry lover.

Ah, the hairy grape!

 

[Alex321]

Chance to push my hobby horse here...
I wouldn't get an EV. Astra-Zeneca are working with farmers to roll out methane power now - this sort of industrial growth I like.

Not for cars they aren't, nor are they likely to.

Most petrol engines can have a fairly simple methane injection into the air intake. It's a win-win-win. Methane is here anyway, and a clean burn is better than leaving it in the atmosphere.

Getting it into places where it can readily be put into cars, which require heavy, thick walled tanks to hold the required pressure is a major issue. It suffers from all the same issues as LPG does for cars, apart from the source being renewable.

No need for dirty, short-life battery manufacture. New lease of life for existing cars.

There aren't any "dirty short-life batteries" being produced.

 

[Gwylan]

I've threatened that the next house car will be a Fiat Topolino, a really it will get a used Citroen Ami which looks a lot like it and currently about half the price.
Will we find the downgrade in performance from a breathed on VW UP Gti a disappointment.

 

[Regular.Cyclist]

DS4 Crossback doesn't have the load space of my Renault Zoe. I'm not upgrading to a smaller boot.

Boot size for my e Vitara isn’t generous, and smaller than my previous car, but I rarely get close to filling my boot in normal usage.

Only issue for me was the mountain bikes, they were a real struggle to fit into the old car, and certainly don’t fit in my new one. Knowing that to be a potential issue I got the dealer to throw in a detachable tow bar into the deal and purchased a pre owned Thule tow bar bike rack. Works a treat for those occasions we take the bikes somewhere.

 

[icowden]

I've threatened that the next house car will be a Fiat Topolino, a really it will get a used Citroen Ami which looks a lot like it and currently about half the price.
Will we find the downgrade in performance from a breathed on VW UP Gti a disappointment.

You know that the Topolino and the Ami are the same car wearing different pyjamas right? It's a great vehicle if you don't need to go over 28mph, don't need to take more than one passenger and don't need much luggage space.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

You know that the Topolino and the Ami are the same car wearing different pyjamas right? It's a great vehicle if you don't need to go over 28mph, don't need to take more than one passenger and don't need much luggage space.

Nonsense, they are high performance vehicles that can easily tackle an F1 circuit:


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/FUyPIMekS4A?si=_gPxYh6VMlDt-D7R

 

[farfromtheland]

Getting it into places where it can readily be put into cars, which require heavy, thick walled tanks to hold the required pressure is a major issue. It suffers from all the same issues as LPG does for cars, apart from the source being renewable.

There aren't any "dirty short-life batteries" being produced.

It's already working in buses.
I ran an LPG van, the donut tanks work, but I realise your methane tank might be ugly, and it's positioning in a car is problematic.
I spose it depends what you value most.

Show me a clean long-life battery and I'll show you a slavish-labour mining industry.

 

[icowden]

Show me a clean long-life battery and I'll show you a slavish-labour mining industry.

Sodium Ion Batteries are starting to show promise. They are good for about 3.5 million miles apparently.

 

[farfromtheland]

Sodium Ion Batteries are starting to show promise. They are good for about 3.5 million miles apparently.

Ok I see, salt mines ere I go... oops.

That is interesting, though. Do you have any links about the solvents used in commercially viable manufacture please?

 

[Tenkaykev]

 

[Dadam]

Getting it into places where it can readily be put into cars, which require heavy, thick walled tanks to hold the required pressure is a major issue. It suffers from all the same issues as LPG does for cars, apart from the source being renewable.

It's far worse than LPG as it cannot be liquified at room temp without very high pressures that would mean far heavier tanks. LPG can be stored in tanks at pressures of the order of bicycle tyres, but LNG needs cryogenic cooling for the same pressures to be viable.

It's not remotely a solution for private cars.

 

[icowden]

Ok I see, salt mines ere I go... oops.
That is interesting, though. Do you have any links about the solvents used in commercially viable manufacture please?

Gemini offers:
Sodium-ion battery manufacture primarily uses organic carbonate and ether-based solvents to dissolve conductive salts for the liquid electrolyte. [1, 2]

Common Solvents

• • Ethylene Carbonate (EC): A cyclic carbonate frequently used to help form a stable solid electrolyte interphase (SEI) layer on electrodes. [1, 2]
  • Propylene Carbonate (PC): A common cyclic carbonate with a wide liquid temperature range that remains stable at low temperatures, unlike in lithium-ion setups. [1, 2]
  • Dimethyl Carbonate (DMC): A linear carbonate added to reduce overall mixture viscosity and improve ionic conductivity. [1]
  • Diethyl Carbonate (DEC) & Ethyl Methyl Carbonate (EMC): Linear carbonates blended with cyclic carbonates to optimize fluidity and transport properties. [1, 2]
  • Ethers (e.g., Dimethoxyethane / DME, Glymes): Alternative solvents sometimes utilized for specialized or non-flammable ether-based sodium chemistries. [1, 2]

 

[DRM]

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Dads Army proved the down fall of that idea by sticking their bayonets through the tank/bladder when a German plane flew over