Why cycling in high-vis may be not as safe as you think

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The key thing to know about fluorescent or DayGlo is that it uses the ultra-violet component of (usually day)light to do its thing. In broad daylight it registers in our perception only because/if it stands out as a colour in contrast to the background. At dawn and dusk and when overcast it stands out because ultra violet makes up a greater percentage of the visible spectrum in these conditions. And it doesn't work any better than any other light colour under any artificial light. Except maybe in a disco.
 
I think this discussion is suffering from some terminological confusion. My understanding, for what it's worth is this:

"HiViz" generally refers to garments that combine both 'DayGlo'TM (Fluorescent) colours, with strips or panels of 'retro-reflectives'.

The dayglo, as pointed out, works by converting light beyond the visible spectrum into visible wavelengths, thus making the fabric appear brighter than it would naturally be. Logically, this only works in daylight.

For this very reason, HiViz garments also use retro-reflective panels. These consist of a mass of tiny bead-like mirrors or mirror facets. In daylight they appear dull grey or silver, but at night they reflect back any light shone at them very efficiently. If there is however, no light source to shine at them, they don't show up.

In the absence of either technology, the best garment will be the one with the highest 'albedo' - ability to reflect light. This usually means white because white reflects all colours and absorbs none.

Unless you find yourself silhouetted against a wet, moonlit road, in which case 'ninja' black might provide better contrast . . . :-(

In general conversation I notice people tend to use terms like 'HiViz', 'Dayglo' and 'fluorescent' very loosely and inaccurately and are often vague about the practical differences. Hope this sheds some light . . . sorry.
 

CycleCuffs

New Member
I have been looking into this issue in some depth lately, and have come up with a product that I am now working at sending out into the big wide world. I tend to ride in whatever clothing I've pulled on that morning, and usually that means trousers of some description on my lower half. To avoid the troubles of getting my trouser legs dirty or torn by the chain I made what I call CycleCuffs. I put two strips of reflective tape around them and it turns out that this works very well. The up/down motion of your ankles as you ride means that the tape is always in motion and a driver will recognise the motion as coming from a cyclist.

I've also made a version of them that I call the UltraBrights, which are essentially a 20cm strip of highly reflective material (backed with tough polyester) that velcro to your ankles. They really light up!

Of course, as others have said, you should still assume that they can't see you, and ride safe.

Please feel free to visit CycleCuffs.com to view the products that we have designed.
 

Pat "5mph"

A kilogrammicaly challenged woman
Moderator
Location
Glasgow
I have been looking into this issue in some depth lately, and have come up with a product that I am now working at sending out into the big wide world. I tend to ride in whatever clothing I've pulled on that morning, and usually that means trousers of some description on my lower half. To avoid the troubles of getting my trouser legs dirty or torn by the chain I made what I call CycleCuffs. I put two strips of reflective tape around them and it turns out that this works very well. The up/down motion of your ankles as you ride means that the tape is always in motion and a driver will recognise the motion as coming from a cyclist.

I've also made a version of them that I call the UltraBrights, which are essentially a 20cm strip of highly reflective material (backed with tough polyester) that velcro to your ankles. They really light up!

Of course, as others have said, you should still assume that they can't see you, and ride safe.

Please feel free to visit CycleCuffs.com to view the products that we have designed.


Other (very similar) products are available ;)
Welcome to cycle chat, CycleCuffs!
 

J.Primus

Senior Member
I wear a high-viz cycling in. It's even more convenient now my place of work is a building site, I don't even need to take it off when I get in. In fact if I swap out my helmet for a hard hat I can just get off my bike and be dressed for work without doing anything.
 

Teuchter

Über Member
Coming late to this thread so I haven't read every post which from the random sample seem to fall into:
"I wear hi viz and I think it makes me safer"
"I don't wear hi viz because it makes no difference to safety and I don't want to look like a bin man"
"Paper beats rock, scissors beat paper, reflectives beat hi viz, lights beat reflectives"
"I saw someone the other night without hi viz or lights - they were so invisible nobody could have seen them... er... except me"
"I'm trying to sell something vaguely related to this thread. Give me money and I'll make you safer."

In that random sample, nobody mentioned what I consider to be the most important part of being seen by other road users - positioning. Ride where other road users expect to see you (and have no option but to react to you) and don't get yourself obscured by the roadside clutter (parked cars, etc). Wear hi viz if it makes you happy, don't if it doesn't. Simples :smile:

I could say what I wear but what difference would that make to anyone?
 

Teuchter

Über Member
Well we'd all know what you're wearing for one. I didn't want to know before but now your refusing to tell us...
Oh all right then!

My kit is intentionally dark in colour (dark grey and black Gore Phantom jacket for example) because this doesn't show the inevitable winter road grime as much as yellow does (in my experience from using hi viz jackets in the past). Apart from this I have nothing against hi viz and when it's wet I do use a hi viz pannier cover for its waterproofing qualities.
 
We have all read in the papers “cyclist not wearing helmet” after an accident
so how long will it be before “cyclist not wearing high-viz clothing”, this could be a get-out clause for all motorists with the SMIDSY.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
We have all read in the papers “cyclist not wearing helmet” after an accident
so how long will it be before “cyclist not wearing high-viz clothing”, this could be a get-out clause for all motorists with the SMIDSY.
and like all SMIDSY excuses it would be BS.
 

Paul H

Active Member
Location
Bolton
Don't assume folk have seen you. Sound advice.

Best advice my older brother gave me when I started driving many moons ago was to treat every other driver as if they are complete idiots...same now apples when I ride my bike :-)

Also, a 'heads up' for the 'cool guys'...this year's hot colour in the fashion world is fluorescent yellow...according to an article I read somewhere!

IMO a fluorescent jacket or vest and maybe a bit on your gloves is one thing. Head to toe is just plain wrong :-)
 
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