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BSRU

BSRU

A Human Being
Location
Swindon
In my short experience with helmet cams I have had some positive results.
Three examples:
1) An apology from a regional manager of Stagecoach for the dangerous driving of one of their drivers, who has been talked to.
2) Helping the Police catch a car tax dodger, the video evidence proved he was driving when it was supposed to be SORN'd.
3) Traffic Police actually trying to catch persistent bus lane abusers who used them with impunity and they managed to totally pi$$ of all the bus drivers.

Writing a letters of complaint to the authorities is only going to make them think I am some crazed nutter with too much spare time but back them up with video footage and I become some crazed nutter with too much spare time making a verifiable point.
 

jimboalee

New Member
Location
Solihull
The tale of Cyclist Lyclist.

One day, as Cyclist Lyclist was riding to work, an unattentative motorist passes him closely.
Cyclist Lyclist sits up in horror and says to himself "The cars hate me, the cars hate me!". I must tell the police.

When Cyclist Lyclist meets Recumbent Lecumbant, Cyclist Lyclist tells Recumbent Lecumbant "The cars hate us, the cars hate us! We must tell the police"

Recumbent Lecumbant agrees and says "I have it on video. Let's show it to the police."

They meet EmmTeeBee LemTeeBee."

They both tell EmmTeeBee LemTeeBee "The cars hate us, the cars hate us!"

EmmTeeBee LemTeeBee agrees and says they should tell Roadracer Loadracer.

Then they told Moulton Loulton.

Then they told SuperGal LuperGal.

Then they told Brompton Lompton.

Brompton Lompton suggests telling Pennyfarthing Lennyfarthing.

Cyclist Lyclist, Recumbent Lecumbant, EmmTeeBee LemTeeBee, Roadracer Loadracer, Moulton Loulton, SuperGal Lupergal and Brompton Lompton tell Pennyfarthing Lennyfarthing "The cars hate us, the cars hate us!"

"Of course they do, you stupid twats. They always have, and running around squealing about it will make them hate you more".
 

JoysOfSight

Active Member
Of course the elephant in the room is that drivers, both commercial and private are increasingly starting to use cameras anyway (in some cases as an insurance requirement).

In fact, I first got onto the idea of using a camera from a guy at work who has one in his car. I'm not sure whether there are as many angry drivers posting YouTube videos though (or on second thoughts...)
 

Origamist

Legendary Member
bryce said:
Not sure if there's a definitive concensus from all the cam wearer replies but it seems to be towards 'cam wearing is essential to take evidence of crimes and bad driving' rather than wearing it to record fun rides or skillful manoeuvres or a fun 'scalping'.

So you're setting out on each ride thinking that you may be a victim of a crime. Fair enough - same logic as wearing a helmet to avoid the injuries caused by a crash.

It's not just about looking after number one, you can help others too.

If I filmed you being assaulted by a driver who had run you off the road, would you want to use the footage to corroborate your version of events, or would you refuse to use the film on a matter of principle? I imagine most people would bite my hand off to have film of the incident.
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
Just like it's not a trolling session for you Lee? OTOH I've been fairly serious all the way along, though enjoying knocking down your points.
 

Origamist

Legendary Member
JoysOfSight said:
However, the point about setting out "expecting to be hit" is well made, and I'm quite conflicted about the whole thing from that point of view. I personally try to advocate "normal" cycling, as in you don't need to wear body armour and a bin-man suit to cycle to the corner shop for milk, and yet I record everything around me. This isn't something I've ever been able to reconcile.

Me too, but I'll think you'll have to concede that I look pefectly normal when I cycle:
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BigSteev

Senior Member
dondare said:
North London is rather more civilised than Sarf London, perhaps.

Having just read through all of this thread, this is the only sensible comment I've come across. :sad:

I've pretty much stopped looking at videos of things like close overtakes 'cos to be honest, they're boring and it just makes me thing what a bunch of whiners the posters are.
 

Notsoblue

Well-Known Member
Er, I agree with Lee's initial point. There does seem to be a particular attitude prevalent with those helmetcam users that are prolific on youtube. It comes across as a bit sanctimonious :S You have to admit thats the case... And I'm saying that as someone who often wears a helmetcam.

Oh and effectively trying to shut him out of the debate just because he admits to have occasionally jumped red lights, something you disagree with, is just childish.

My 2p anyway.
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
BigSteev said:
I've pretty much stopped looking at videos of things like close overtakes 'cos to be honest, they're boring and it just makes me thing what a bunch of whiners the posters are.

They're not boring when they happen to you though, and they shouldn't be so boringly acceptable either.
 

Origamist

Legendary Member
BigSteev said:
Having just read through all of this thread, this is the only sensible comment I've come across. :sad:

I've pretty much stopped looking at videos of things like close overtakes 'cos to be honest, they're boring and it just makes me thing what a bunch of whiners the posters are.

Steve, you seem to spend most of your time whining about whiny posters - is irony wasted on you;)

I'm happy to whine about whiners, who whinge about cycle cam users who whine. Capish?
 

dondare

Über Member
Location
London
BentMikey said:
Just like it's not a trolling session for you Lee? OTOH I've been fairly serious all the way along, though enjoying knocking down your points.

Stating and defending one's own opinions does not constitute trolling. Lee is one of the regular posters who makes this forum site more interesting than the other cycling forums.
 
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