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[BurningLegs]

I am still C on the new events, so looks accurate to me

 

[mjd1988]

I agree Points based sounds ideal....... but in the real world, if we take our Team as an example....

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Say the points cut-off was 300 for the top group, Lee and Paul would not make it, but Al and Carl would.

Eep!

Although yes the points would rapidly correct themselves if I was racing against a plus riders. Would be a bit rough for a while!

 

[<Tommy>]

I am still C on the new events, so looks accurate to me

Yep still in B cate here. So nothing else to see as far as I’m concerned!

 

[Whorty]

I agree Points based sounds ideal....... but in the real world, if we take our Team as an example....

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Say the points cut-off was 300 for the top group, Lee and Paul would not make it, but Al and Carl would.

No idea how the points work at the moment, but I scored all my points in C races, I do nothing in B races now, so it does seem to be skewed to doing well in the race you're in irrespective of the cat the race is. Hence why Al and I have such low numbers. Really, based on my B races, I should be in the 400s

 

[<Tommy>]

At the risk of bleating on about RGT - they start everybody right in the middle of the system - if you beat people better than you , you get points that bump you up - if you lose to people worse than you , you lose masses of points and get demoted - it does work

Just seems so obvious doesn’t it

 

[mjd1988]

SHOOT

 

[<Tommy>]

No idea how the points work at the moment, but I scored all my points in C races, I do nothing in B races now, so it does seem to be skewed to doing well in the race you're in irrespective of the cat the race is. Hence why Al and I have such low numbers. Really, based on my B races, I should be in the 400s

I’ve noticed how heavily skewed it is towards regularity of racing. But I assume that’s something that’s easily fixed.

 

[bridgy]

I agree Points based sounds ideal....... but in the real world, if we take our Team as an example....

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Say the points cut-off was 300 for the top group, Lee and Paul would not make it, but Al and Carl would.

Just thinking about this some more, and the fact that the points system doesn't actually determine Cat is probably the reason there's what look like a couple of anomalies here - and if it did determine categorisation those anomalies would probably disappear.

Take Carl and Lee for example. Carl's points were probably boosted by riding at the very top of Cat C for a while, and in a points system he may have been bumped up to the next category sooner than he was. And Lee's points were probably affected by the fact he struggles in Cat A, and was moved up to that Cat at a time when he was finishing in Cat B in around the same positions that me and Tommy were. So in his case, he may never have been moved up.

So the fact that this doesn't currently look quite right is more of a proof that the current system based purely on 20 minute power is flawed, rather than the points system itself being flawed

 

[Whorty]

Crap, I can only select A/B too.

Best avoid those races for the moment then lol

 

[Norry1]

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Enjoy

 

[bridgy]

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Serves you right for having that huge sprint of yours

 

[<Tommy>]

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Seems weird that my watts and w/kg is higher than yours but I’m still in B and you’re in A. Maybe I misunderstood the criteria? Not that I’m complaining, let’s us know how you get on won’t you! 😄

 

[<Tommy>]

Just thinking about this some more, and the fact that the points system doesn't actually determine Cat is probably the reason there's what look like a couple of anomalies here - and if it did determine categorisation those anomalies would probably disappear.

Take Carl and Lee for example. Carl's points were probably boosted by riding at the very top of Cat C for a while, and in a points system he may have been bumped up to the next category sooner than he was. And Lee's points were probably affected by the fact he struggles in Cat A, and was moved up to that Cat at a time when he was finishing in Cat B in around the same positions that me and Tommy were. So in his case, he may never have been moved up.

So the fact that this doesn't currently look quite right is more of a proof that the current system based purely on 20 minute power is flawed, rather than the points system itself being flawed

I think you’re right in general. But lee is also effected by the amount he races.

 

[straas]

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Maybe if you upload a photo of your hoof they'll let you back in B?

 

[mjd1988]

Maybe if you upload a photo of your hoof they'll let you back in B?

Don't want to be kicked out of the human league (don't, don't they want me?)